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Re: Running

Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 3:49 pm
by Ms Harmless
Val wrote:Dance is a masterpiece
I refuse to accept this song as a masterpiece without the album around it!

Re: Running

Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 3:55 pm
by Val
Ms Harmless wrote:
Val wrote:Dance is a masterpiece
I refuse to accept this song as a masterpiece without the album around it!
Duly noted

Re: Running

Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 3:59 pm
by oneway23
McParadigm wrote:In addition to having different opinions about any given piece of art, every individual interprets the word “masterpiece” in a different way.

Regardless of the dictionary definition, some people see masterpiece as a way to describe a creative or technical highwater mark (an artist’s master piece). Others assign it to most any work that feels exemplary. Still others would argue that very few works exist worthy of the term.

So it’s all subjective. Perhaps the only objective fact is that neither Gigaton nor Binaural is a masterpiece, but they both grew out of great and interesting creative ground, and that makes them more interesting than their base quality level.
That set-up was a masterpiece...the post, a fully satisfying emotional ride

Re: Running

Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 4:15 pm
by RockPusher
Ms Harmless wrote:
DeeDee wrote:Come on, Gigaton is not a masterpiece.
I said "late-career masterpiece", which is not the same as Vitalogy, an all-time masterpiece

for me, every song on Gigaton is good to great; it's the only PRAMG album I can always play from beginning to end

all that considered, I refuse to "come on"
Yes. Gigaton is an album I almost always play all the way through, because it sounds so good that way.

Re: Running

Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 4:43 pm
by Ms Harmless
RockPusher wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
DeeDee wrote:Come on, Gigaton is not a masterpiece.
I said "late-career masterpiece", which is not the same as Vitalogy, an all-time masterpiece

for me, every song on Gigaton is good to great; it's the only PRAMG album I can always play from beginning to end

all that considered, I refuse to "come on"
Yes. Gigaton is an album I almost always play all the way through, because it sounds so good that way.
it's of a piece, it all belongs together, it sounds composed both sonically and thematically

Re: Running

Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 4:46 pm
by ABNorman
I like Gigaton, but it's the Pearl Jam album I most fall asleep to. Not because of any particularly bad songs, or anything. Those last 15 minutes are just a lot after already listening to 40 minutes of music.

Re: Running

Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 4:49 pm
by warehouse
is this the song Jeff cites when talking about EV sounding like he's rapping? the vocal cadence is super fun. with that said, no shot they pull this off live lol. it's a fun rocker, i'd say it's on par with 'superblood wolf moon' if we are comparing second singles.

i don't think any song on the new album is going to be as good as 'DOTC', so my bar is set a little differently.

Re: Running

Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 4:51 pm
by DeeDee
E.H. Ruddock wrote:Gigaton is not better than ST and that is that!
Nah, it's way better.

Re: Running

Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 4:54 pm
by Ms Harmless
DeeDee wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:Gigaton is not better than ST and that is that!
Nah, it's way better.
agreed

Re: Running

Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 4:58 pm
by RockPusher
Ms Harmless wrote:
DeeDee wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:Gigaton is not better than ST and that is that!
Nah, it's way better.
agreed
I have Gigaton as better, but I also hold Avocado in pretty high esteem and the gap is not that wide. If Josh Evans had produced it, it may have taken the cake in this battle.

Re: Running

Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 5:00 pm
by EBowie
Avocado is so frustrating because it's their worst sounding album but contains some awesome songs

Re: Running

Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 5:03 pm
by Monkey_Driven
EBowie wrote:Avocado is so frustrating because it's their worst sounding album
Until April 19th

Re: Running

Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 5:09 pm
by DDWJMUVW
For me Gigaton felt like a great album in the moment. I think it was (at least from my perspective given what was going on spring/summer of 2020).

But, sadly, it hasn’t aged as well as I would have thought, though a few tracks are still on my rotation (DoTC, 7, WES, alright).

Many others are hardly heard.

So, for me a much better effort than LB and I enjoy it more than BS.

I feel as though few tracks were missing just a couple elements that could have made them great and thus elevated this record in the rankings.

Re: Running

Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 5:11 pm
by VinylGuy
RANK EM

1-No Code
2-Vs
3-Gigaton
4-Binaural
5-Yield
6-Ten
7-ST
8-RA
9-Vitalogy
10-Backspacer
11-LB

Re: Running

Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 5:11 pm
by EBowie
My only issue with Gigaton is its too long - the album should end on Comes Then Goes (scrap Retrograde and River Cross)

Re: Running

Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 5:13 pm
by Strat
VinylGuy wrote:RANK EM

1-No Code
2-Vs
3-Gigaton
4-Binaural
5-Yield
6-Ten
7-ST
8-RA
9-Vitalogy
10-Backspacer
11-LB
This is aggressive.

Re: Running

Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 5:15 pm
by VinylGuy
It changes every time...RA was higher on my last rank. Nowadays im more into Gigaton and Binaural

Its been a long time since No code or Vs dropped from 1 and 2 though.

Re: Running

Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 5:18 pm
by tragabigzanda
pearl jam sucks now

Re: Running

Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 5:24 pm
by Release_Me
warehouse wrote:is this the song Jeff cites when talking about EV sounding like he's rapping? the vocal cadence is super fun. with that said, no shot they pull this off live lol. it's a fun rocker, i'd say it's on par with 'superblood wolf moon' if we are comparing second singles.

i don't think any song on the new album is going to be as good as 'DOTC', so my bar is set a little differently.
Stone mentioned in the Spin interview that Ed's vocal dexterity in Running and also the second verse of React, Respond, where he is almost rapping, is something to behold.

Re: Running

Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 5:31 pm
by stip
If Im being honest with myself, Pearl Jam has 3 masterpiece records. Ten -> Vitalogy, a 3 album stretch that in my opinion has never been bettered. Every other record falls below those heights - but I dont need them to be. there is a near mystical singularity to my relationship with those songs (and they are the ones that endured). For me its a question of how many good to great songs did it produce and do they cohere sonically and thematically in a way that elevates the material. Gigaton did the later in spades. still does