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Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

Posted: Tue November 29, 2022 9:48 pm
by VinylGuy
yeah, thats the best part.

Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

Posted: Wed November 30, 2022 7:13 am
by Huell
Bless him and the story to this album, but Billy is an absolute self obsessed narcissist. The way he keeps referring to his standing of one of the greatest or accredited songwriters of his generation only to get to the point of how his interviewee has persevered… it’s Alan Partridge level stuff. The story of the album is essentially how Billy has been wronged, does not get the credit he deserves from the music business and how pure he is while navigating all the nasties.

I say this as someone who has followed all the latter day output and find him fascinating as an artist.

PS CYR is a really good album, it took me a while to come round to it but there are some lovely hooks and tunes in it.

Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

Posted: Wed November 30, 2022 8:51 am
by Ello Sailor
Agree with all of the above. Dude is a massive douche who just happens to write amazing music. Even Cyr has grown on me a ton.

Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

Posted: Wed November 30, 2022 12:35 pm
by VinylGuy
well, he really had a very tough upbringing. Like super tough. But yeah, he has been battling always with being the better song writer of his generation, the most lovable from the band. etc

he seems super mad with his 90s peers too.

Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

Posted: Wed November 30, 2022 12:37 pm
by liebzz
Giving the new one a proper listen. I mostly agree with the comments above and it always makes me approach his albums with a bit of hesitation- like is this the time the bottom will drop out and I’ll have had enough. So far so decent.

Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

Posted: Wed November 30, 2022 12:38 pm
by VinylGuy
I havent listened to Cyr again. I probably should.

And im taking my time to come back to Vol 1. I was so bored with it, i only listened once.

Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

Posted: Wed November 30, 2022 2:39 pm
by i got bugs
i got bugs wrote:I dont think I heard a good sp song since the tarantula album
Still stand by this after hearing vol 1

The shittiest 90s throwaway track is infinitely better than the best track post tarantula album

Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

Posted: Thu December 01, 2022 12:23 pm
by lecherouslittlestump
I can't think of another band where I absolutely love their early stuff but absolutely hate everything after.

It's not like Pearl Jam where I enjoy the new stuff but prefer the old stuff.

Or like U2 where I don't like the new stuff but there are a few diamonds in the rough.

I have a seething deep loathing of everything post-Adore (bar one or two tracks off Machina)

Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

Posted: Thu December 01, 2022 2:17 pm
by VinylGuy
yeah i understand that feeling.

I still feel Zeitgeist is really good, and then most of the stuff sounds ok to me, sometimes the production is impossible tough.

I really like Shiny.

Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

Posted: Thu December 01, 2022 2:54 pm
by Ello Sailor
Shiny has some good songs, but any album that opens with Billy going "woew woew woew woewww" is fighting an uphill battle.

Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

Posted: Thu December 01, 2022 2:57 pm
by VinylGuy
i think its their best record since Zeitgeist, sounds very good, clearly Rubin is behind it to fight Billy and it only has 8 songs!

Ello did you make a best of SP from Zeitgeist to now?

Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

Posted: Thu December 01, 2022 2:58 pm
by Ello Sailor
VinylGuy wrote:Ello did you make a best of SP from Zeitgeist to now?
Not yet. I have a feeling you'd hate mine. It'd have Starz on it.

Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

Posted: Thu December 01, 2022 2:58 pm
by Ello Sailor
and it would have a lot of Cyr

Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

Posted: Thu December 01, 2022 2:59 pm
by Ello Sailor
(I can't help it!)

Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

Posted: Thu December 01, 2022 3:00 pm
by VinylGuy
i need to get back to Cyr. Maybe soon.

Starz ugh. Ill see if i can put that Zeitgeist remixed stuff you posted to see what happens with that one.

Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

Posted: Thu December 01, 2022 3:37 pm
by Ello Sailor
i got bugs wrote:
i got bugs wrote:I dont think I heard a good sp song since the tarantula album
Still stand by this after hearing vol 1

The shittiest 90s throwaway track is infinitely better than the best track post tarantula album
Okay, what about "Solara" and "Marchin' On"? They kinda sound Zeitgeist-ish.




Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

Posted: Thu December 01, 2022 3:37 pm
by Ello Sailor
Bugs insisting on calling it "Tarantula album" is one of my favorite things.

Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

Posted: Thu December 01, 2022 3:58 pm
by VinylGuy
Marchin On sounds like something from Machina.

Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

Posted: Thu December 01, 2022 4:00 pm
by Ello Sailor
Definitely not. The mixing is too far removed, for one.

Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

Posted: Fri December 02, 2022 12:38 am
by i got bugs
Ello Sailor wrote:Bugs insisting on calling it "Tarantula album" is one of my favorite things.
I was too lazy to even Google it