Red Mosquito

theplatypus wrote:A lot of what I do like about this song sounds like it would probably be lost in a live setting, so I'm curious to hear how they pull it off in concert.

i feel this way also.

Strat wrote:Its more like -

once I realize the PJ I once knew (remember that song?) is dead, then I can move forward with this. Its not the same band and thats fine cause here we are.

Im working through this all. Working through it with you guys too. Contradictions may be found but ultimately im here for the ride.

I think people have to feel that the material *is* good enough before they can accept it for what it is, and Pearl Jam for what they are. And some people just don't think it is good enough.

Fuzzcharger wrote:

blueviper wrote:

Heathen wrote:Stupid Mop was a bigger WTF than any of these AND was actually great.

You've got to be shitting me. Stupid mop is great?

Yes it is.

Strat wrote:

harmless wrote:

mastaflatch wrote:

harmless wrote:
It's 3:30am

no, it's not.

OK, it's 3:40am.

Do you sleep? ever?

Sometimes.

harmless wrote:

Strat wrote:Its more like -

once I realize the PJ I once knew (remember that song?) is dead, then I can move forward with this. Its not the same band and thats fine cause here we are.

Im working through this all. Working through it with you guys too. Contradictions may be found but ultimately im here for the ride.

I think people have to feel that the material *is* good enough before they can accept it for what it is, and Pearl Jam for what they are. And some people just don't think it is good enough.

Its not what I want from Pearl Jam and im mourning that. Its fine. I think they are capable of more but i will never tire of hearing Vedders voice and in sirens he fucking kills it.

This is a strange record for sure. Wish it hasn't been 4 years. Also, i wish that it wont be another 4 after this one :\

blueviper wrote:

Fuzzcharger wrote:

blueviper wrote:

Heathen wrote:Stupid Mop was a bigger WTF than any of these AND was actually great.

You've got to be shitting me. Stupid mop is great?

Yes it is.

Stupid Mop serves its purpose perfectly on Vitalogy, so it's great in that sense.

Strat wrote:

harmless wrote:

Strat wrote:Its more like -

once I realize the PJ I once knew (remember that song?) is dead, then I can move forward with this. Its not the same band and thats fine cause here we are.

Im working through this all. Working through it with you guys too. Contradictions may be found but ultimately im here for the ride.

I think people have to feel that the material *is* good enough before they can accept it for what it is, and Pearl Jam for what they are. And some people just don't think it is good enough.

Its not what I want from Pearl Jam and im mourning that. Its fine. I think they are capable of more but i will never tire of hearing Vedders voice and in sirens he fucking kills it.

This is a strange record for sure. Wish it hasn't been 4 years. Also, i wish that it wont be another 4 after this one :\

Thing is, I'm at the point where I have no shopping list for PJ at all. S/T wasn't what I 'wanted'. Backspacer wasn't what I 'wanted'. That's 7 years of relative disappointment (because I didn't hate everything). With so many frustrations, I realised that I'm not sure PJ's identity was going to be anything now other than playing what they feel like playing at the time. And so because I have no idea what they'll do next, I don't have expectations either. But I never once expected to be enjoying this album as much as I am. It's been looking better ever since MYM was released, then the artwork, then the first few songs... which were not what I was expecting given everything else, but this is Pearl Jam, if nothing else. They've never given us what we expected. Not me, anyway.

Strat wrote:Its more like -

once I realize the PJ I once knew (remember that song?) is dead, then I can move forward with this. Its not the same band and thats fine cause here we are.

Im working through this all. Working through it with you guys too. Contradictions may be found but ultimately im here for the ride.

I'm also working through this but also haven't started listening to these songs including LIR and CC somewhat regularly until today and with repeat listens even sirens is at least better than LTRP which I just keep being disappointed by the awesomeness in that song that only comes and goes surrounded by bad cheese and shania twainesqe riffs ans melodies that just bum me out...also so much time between albums has put me in a much different place i was in even 2 years ago so yeah

jesus if I read "cheese" one more time...

blueviper wrote:jesus if I read "cheese" one more time...

cheez

Noaheb wrote:

blueviper wrote:jesus if I read "cheese" one more time...

cheez

that's better.

The other hilarious thing is how much I've fucking raged about Matt's over-use of the ride cymbal in heavy rock songs, relative to his fear of the open hi-hat. In this song, I don't think he touches the ride once and it's mostly *all* open hi-hats AND A BALLAD. I just don't understand this man

Three thoughts on Sirens:

1) I don't know who's watching Breaking Bad here, but for those who are, I think this would be a perfect closing song lyrically for that show (which is set to end right about the album release date).

2) I honestly think this is the most commercially viable song they've released since Betterman. I listened to it a bunch of times today and I never tired of it. It's pop-ish, but has some haunting elements too which make it more listener-friendly for repeat listens. I love the lack of consistent chorus, which puts the focus on the "hear the sirens" - where it should be.

3) For those who say this is cheese, I can't imagine if they released Black today. Think about those lyrics. Think about that song. Is this really cheesier? I'm not so sure. I don't think this song is similar to Black in many other ways other than to say they are about on par as far as cheese goes, which to me, is relatively small. They both are sentimental ballads with solos, which sets up the discussion. But, if that's cheese, what's Release? If that's not also cheese, is it because it's about his Dad and not his wife?

harmless wrote:The other hilarious thing is how much I've fucking raged about Matt's over-use of the ride cymbal in heavy rock songs, relative to his fear of the open hi-hat. In this song, I don't think he touches the ride once and it's mostly *all* open hi-hats AND A BALLAD. I just don't understand this man

maybe he's been spying on RM and wanted to fuck your apprehensions up

I always thought 'Nothing Else Matters' by Metallica was just their terrible attempt at 'Release'.

mastaflatch wrote:

harmless wrote:The other hilarious thing is how much I've fucking raged about Matt's over-use of the ride cymbal in heavy rock songs, relative to his fear of the open hi-hat. In this song, I don't think he touches the ride once and it's mostly *all* open hi-hats AND A BALLAD. I just don't understand this man

maybe he's been spying on RM and wanted to fuck your apprehension up

One thing's for sure, like Pearl Jam themselves, he never does what I want but it always ends up working somehow.

harmless wrote:I always thought 'Nothing Else Matters' by Metallica was just their terrible attempt at 'Release'.

Interesting.

Fuzzcharger wrote:

harmless wrote:I always thought 'Nothing Else Matters' by Metallica was just their terrible attempt at 'Release'.

Interesting.

I wonder how much the black album sounds like Ten. Never heard it.

harmless wrote:I always thought 'Nothing Else Matters' by Metallica was just their terrible attempt at 'Release'.

Tallicuh's album was released on August 12 1991 and Ten was released on August 27th of the same year.

harmless wrote:I always thought 'Nothing Else Matters' by Metallica was just their terrible attempt at 'Release'.

remember that song metallica had on death magnetic that had the why go riff in it?