Cold Confession and Let It Ride - Avocado Outtakes

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i'd throw S/T in there as well. This is oversimplifying but Ten, Vs, S/T, and Backspacer are very external albums--the energy on them is projected outward. They are confrontational and immediate. No Code, Yield, Binaural and Riot Act are interior albums. The energy on those records is turned inward. Even then anthems have a quiet, self-directed quality to them that is much less prominent on those other records.

Vitalogy splits the difference, which is probably why everyone loves it so much. If I had to put it in one of those categories I think it is more internal than external.

Well articulated. I might suggest that Yield is also on the fence with Vitalogy, but it's your theory so I'll leave my opinions out of it.

So based on what we've heard and know, is LB going to be inward or external? And what is preferred?

I don't know if I have a preference. But I'm leaning toward inward for LB.

i would guess external since that seems to be the writing cycle they are in.

What I think they're really missing at the moment is introversion, poetry and genuine emotion. It sounds contrived when they try to create that emotion 'for an audience' as opposed to just because they felt it. That's what 'Unthought Known' was: an 'emotional' external song, focussed entirely on a stadium crowd.

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i'd throw S/T in there as well. This is oversimplifying but Ten, Vs, S/T, and Backspacer are very external albums--the energy on them is projected outward. They are confrontational and immediate. No Code, Yield, Binaural and Riot Act are interior albums. The energy on those records is turned inward. Even then anthems have a quiet, self-directed quality to them that is much less prominent on those other records.

Vitalogy splits the difference, which is probably why everyone loves it so much. If I had to put it in one of those categories I think it is more internal than external.

Well articulated. I might suggest that Yield is also on the fence with Vitalogy, but it's your theory so I'll leave my opinions out of it.

So based on what we've heard and know, is LB going to be inward or external? And what is preferred?

I don't know if I have a preference. But I'm leaning toward inward for LB.

i would guess external since that seems to be the writing cycle they are in.

But the three we've heard so far are pretty internal.

you think MYM is not confrontational and immediate?

Sure, but why can't confrontational and immediate also be internal?

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MYM feels internal because it seems Ed is really speaking from his heart in it. That's what we were missing in Backspacer.

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MYM feels internal because it seems Ed is really speaking from his heart in it. That's what we were missing in Backspacer.

Exactly. It's not Whipping or Bushleaguer. The song is very much about the speaker's emotions and perspective.

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for me (at least) internal and external really has more to do with the confidence and authority behind the message, rather than any authenticity behind it. I suspect Just Breathe and The End are very personal songs, authentically felt, but they are sung in a way that lacks the hesitation you might have found on present tense, for instance. It's the difference between working out an idea and sharing an idea. Release, for instance, is a song about being lost, but it is still dominated by a steely sense of presence. I am lost HERE, and it is the rest of the world that doesn't know where it is. Compare that to Man of the Hour, an equally personal song, but far more hesitant

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MYM feels internal because it seems Ed is really speaking from his heart in it. That's what we were missing in Backspacer.

Exactly. It's not Whipping or Bushleaguer. The song is very much about the speaker's emotions and perspective.

I think that might just be an example of better songwriting than anything else

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MYM feels internal because it seems Ed is really speaking from his heart in it. That's what we were missing in Backspacer.

Exactly. It's not Whipping or Bushleaguer. The song is very much about the speaker's emotions and perspective.

I think that might just be an example of better songwriting than anything else

What do you mean?

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MYM feels internal because it seems Ed is really speaking from his heart in it. That's what we were missing in Backspacer.

Exactly. It's not Whipping or Bushleaguer. The song is very much about the speaker's emotions and perspective.

I think that might just be an example of better songwriting than anything else

What do you mean?

whipping and mind your manners are both a pretty broad generalized attack on something Eddie doesn't like about society. I don't think it is any more heartfelt or personalized than Whipping. It may just be better written. I have no doubt that Bushleaguer meant more to Eddie than either of those two songs, given the savage hatred he had for them, but the end result just wasn't compelling

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MYM feels internal because it seems Ed is really speaking from his heart in it. That's what we were missing in Backspacer.

Exactly. It's not Whipping or Bushleaguer. The song is very much about the speaker's emotions and perspective.

I think that might just be an example of better songwriting than anything else

I don't think MYM has better songwriting than Bushleaguer or Whipping. It's just different.

In fact, the Whipping lyrics are structurally similar to The Fixer's: "I don't want X, I want Y" / "When something's X, let me put a little Y on it". Contrasts. Except that Whipping is a much better song.

LOL. When I was writing that I thought of "If something's XXX, let me put a little KY on it."

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MYM feels internal because it seems Ed is really speaking from his heart in it. That's what we were missing in Backspacer.

Exactly. It's not Whipping or Bushleaguer. The song is very much about the speaker's emotions and perspective.

I think that might just be an example of better songwriting than anything else

What do you mean?

whipping and mind your manners are both a pretty broad generalized attack on something Eddie doesn't like about society. I don't think it is any more heartfelt or personalized than Whipping. It may just be better written. I have no doubt that Bushleaguer meant more to Eddie than either of those two songs, given the savage hatred he had for them, but the end result just wasn't compelling

Again, that's purely subjective. I disagree that those songs aren't compelling. I find Bushleaguer to be full of biting satire that's nasty, snarky and hilarious. The funniest MYM gets is the call-and-response ending.

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MYM feels internal because it seems Ed is really speaking from his heart in it. That's what we were missing in Backspacer.

Exactly. It's not Whipping or Bushleaguer. The song is very much about the speaker's emotions and perspective.

I think that might just be an example of better songwriting than anything else

What do you mean?

whipping and mind your manners are both a pretty broad generalized attack on something Eddie doesn't like about society. I don't think it is any more heartfelt or personalized than Whipping. It may just be better written. I have no doubt that Bushleaguer meant more to Eddie than either of those two songs, given the savage hatred he had for them, but the end result just wasn't compelling

Well, however you (or Ed feels, for that matter) feel about those three songs, all I'm saying is that Whipping and Bushleaguer are externalized "narratives" or "stories" or songs, and MYM is internalized "narrative" or "storytelling" or songwriting.

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I guess I'm having trouble seeing what quality has to do with perspective in regards to this discussion.

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I guess I'm having trouble seeing what quality has to do with perspective in regards to this discussion.

It doesn't, really, I'm just defending those songs.

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I guess I'm having trouble seeing what quality has to do with perspective in regards to this discussion.

It doesn't, really, I'm just defending those songs.

Oh, I'm with you 100%. Totally picking up what you're putting down. That comment was directed toward Stip.

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Has Lightning Bolt leaked since we started this discussion? Can someone check?

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I guess I'm having trouble seeing what quality has to do with perspective in regards to this discussion.

i dont' see MYM as an internalized song the way that you (and harmless?) seem to. I find it to be quite similar to a song like whipping or bushleaguer. That's why if you feel that mYM is a direction you want to see them move in that it may just be a question of better execution of a similar song.

I could be misunderstanding you, though. Does that make sense?

[Thejambi]

I guess I'm having trouble seeing what quality has to do with perspective in regards to this discussion.

It doesn't, really, I'm just defending those songs.

All three songs are of Ed critiquing someone or something that he seems to personally disagree with. I'm really not following the differentiation.

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It's one of those things where I was following the differentiation once, but I can't remember what it was now.

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Basically it would be cool if I lived in the US, and then we could continue with alcohol.

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I guess I'm having trouble seeing what quality has to do with perspective in regards to this discussion.

It doesn't, really, I'm just defending those songs.

All three songs are of Ed critiquing someone or something that he seems to personally disagree with. I'm really not following the differentiation.

I guess because, to me, there is an effort, a search going on in MYM. He isn't just railing against something. Sure, that's there, that's a big part of it. But there's an exploration, a movement toward understanding in the song that isn't there in songs that I'm calling more "external" like Whipping and Bushleaguer. His mind is made up in those songs and he's acting in accordance.