Red Mosquito

i'm curious how people would've reacted if this was tyrion when he married sansa. neither one of them wanted to do it.

durdencommatyler wrote:

spike wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Same with last seasons perceived rape scene.

That one I understood the outrage. That was a character we are kinda supposed to have some affection for, despite prior bad acts. But beyond throwing Bran out a window he had mostly been portrayed as a good guy on the wrong side. Ramsey is and always had been a sadistic fuck. I don't think illustrating his brutality is particularly shocking.

but that's just it, we're already well aware of how terrible ramsey is, so it seemed like overkill.

There's more to the scene though. It should also affect how you feel about Theon and Sansa (in different ways obviously). But that wasn't just one more scene about how awful Ramsay is. That's only one color.

i already know that theon is repentant and that sansa is submissive.

spike wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

spike wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Same with last seasons perceived rape scene.

That one I understood the outrage. That was a character we are kinda supposed to have some affection for, despite prior bad acts. But beyond throwing Bran out a window he had mostly been portrayed as a good guy on the wrong side. Ramsey is and always had been a sadistic fuck. I don't think illustrating his brutality is particularly shocking.

but that's just it, we're already well aware of how terrible ramsey is, so it seemed like overkill.

There's more to the scene though. It should also affect how you feel about Theon and Sansa (in different ways obviously). But that wasn't just one more scene about how awful Ramsay is. That's only one color.

i already know that theon is repentant and that sansa is submissive.

Oh okay, my bad.

The Ramsey alone element isn't shocking for his part, but based on the final shot, the rape of Sansa Stark is about whether or not Theon Greyjoy is able to be redeemed. Will something so horrific be enough to overcome his fears? It had to be horrific, to illustrate that if he does not react, he is gone forever.

durdencommatyler wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Same with last seasons perceived rape scene.

That one I understood the outrage. That was a character we are kinda supposed to have some affection for, despite prior bad acts. But beyond throwing Bran out a window he had mostly been portrayed as a good guy on the wrong side. Ramsey is and always had been a sadistic fuck. I don't think illustrating his brutality is particularly shocking.

You're making their point for them, then. That rape should only be shock value, which I disagree with.

I'm still not comfortable calling last season's scene a rape scene and neither are the show runners nor the actors involved. But that aside, who cares whether or not the character is supposed to be likable or not. That shouldn't change or alter the atrocity of the act.

Rape is okay when I guy I'm supposed to hate does it. But when it's a guy I kinda like, hey now! That's over the line! I can't get on board with that.

I'm not talking about the "show" and the shock factor, I'm talking about the audiences reaction to it. The shock about Jamie in a rapey situation I got. Ramsey doing it should not have surprised anyone. Honestly, I don't know how anyone can be shocked by anything on this show at this point.

This is a show known for its brutality, and often times beloved for it. Depicting the atrocious acts are part of illustrating the world they've created. To ignore something that likely would have occurred in this universe seems ridiculous.

It just comes off as gimmicky to me now. Like they think the show is all about "shocking" deaths, sex and rapes. Maybe they are right. I'm not convinced this story is going anywhere, even in the books. Its starting to feel like a soap opera with no point, but it had the potential to be so much more.

It sucks because the character stuff and the writing in general is so great it doesn't have to rely on cheap stunts, but the showrunners don't seem to have enough faith in their own show to lay off. If they added something to the story, I'd be all for it, but it seems to detract more than help.

Hold on a second here---how else would Ramsey Bolton take someone's virginity?

The Argonaut wrote:Hold on a second here---how else would Ramsey Bolton take someone's virginity?

i think we all figured that he'd do it by r*ping the f*ck out of sansa, so showing it was just a waste of precious GoT screen time. that's the real bummer here.

spike wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:Hold on a second here---how else would Ramsey Bolton take someone's virginity?

i think we all figured that he'd do it by r*ping the f*ck out of sansa, so showing it was just a waste of precious GoT screen time. that's the real bummer here.

They didn't show it though. They showed Theons reaction to it.

@SkitchP wrote:

spike wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:Hold on a second here---how else would Ramsey Bolton take someone's virginity?

i think we all figured that he'd do it by r*ping the f*ck out of sansa, so showing it was just a waste of precious GoT screen time. that's the real bummer here.

They didn't show it though. They showed Theons reaction to it.

showing as in dedicating a scene to it, hair splitter.

i think we can all agree that this last episode needed a scene of Grey Worm/Missandei scissoring each other

Mecca wrote:i think we can all agree that this last episode needed a scene of Grey Worm/Missandei scissoring each other

more rape pls

That scene is the one everyone is talking about whether people like the scene or not. GoT wins again.
I don't know how you don't show that scene.
If you want something to bitch about, bitch about those corny Sand Snakes.

the only moment I really liked was between Tyrion and Jorah the Explorer when he talks to him about his father and questions "why Dany?"

15showsandcounting wrote:That scene is the one everyone is talking about whether people like the scene or not. GoT wins again.
I don't know how you don't show that scene.
If you want something to bitch about, bitch about those corny Sand Snakes.

Agreed. For me, The Sand Snakes have been the worse part of the TV series. And it's not close at all.

I think we should wait and see how this Sansa scene impacts the rest of season 5. I believe the repercussions will be significant to the overall narrative.

spike wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:Hold on a second here---how else would Ramsey Bolton take someone's virginity?

i think we all figured that he'd do it by r*ping the f*ck out of sansa, so showing it was just a waste of precious GoT screen time. that's the real bummer here.

The real bummer was the wasted storyline with the sand snakes.

psychobain wrote:more rape pls

Human Bass post

jwfocker wrote:

15showsandcounting wrote:That scene is the one everyone is talking about whether people like the scene or not. GoT wins again.
I don't know how you don't show that scene.
If you want something to bitch about, bitch about those corny Sand Snakes.

Agreed. For me, The Sand Snakes have been the worse part of the TV series. And it's not close at all.

I think we should wait and see how this Sansa scene impacts the rest of season 5. I believe the repercussions will be significant to the overall narrative.

Yes to both points.

Mecca wrote:Jorah the Explorer

is this a real character name