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Re: 2020 Tour (Rumors) (aka Gig A Ton) (aka Gigatour)

Posted: Tue March 10, 2020 3:21 pm
by Royalearth
lowlight79 wrote:
Strat wrote:
lowlight79 wrote:
numbers wrote:I’ll be honest, if they don’t cancel the euro dates then it becomes fair to question whether this was a political statement and not about safety.
It's a fair question to ask, there wasn't any "concern" when Ed's wife went to India just last week.
Did you really just compare one persons travel to that of 20,000 people descending on a city for a concert?

Lowlight, c'mon on man.
Let's get real here, it's a virus, that most people ARE recovering from, there are hard hit areas in the world, but it's not a plague. Speaking as someone who has two parents in nursing homes currently, I have plenty of reason to worry, but it's not much different from any other virus out there right now. It does affect certain age groups more than others and people should take precautions. But postponing a tour for it, it's ridiculous.
Why would the band put out an album with the message of protecting and being caretakers of our Earth and then go on tour? That would be careless and irresponsible, the very thing they are standing against....We really don't know the extend of this, so like someone said here: better safe than sorry.

Re: 2020 Tour (Rumors) (aka Gig A Ton) (aka Gigatour)

Posted: Tue March 10, 2020 3:21 pm
by DissidentRival4
Monkey_Driven wrote: I doubt they will walk away from the festival/European money. Seems easier to just reschedule these dates around the framework of the Fall tour in development.
That's a good point - forgot a few of those were festival gigs. and I agree - it definitely would seem to be easier to schedule around a schedule that's still in the works. Really bummed that this happened, but I get it. Just really happy that A) it's a postponement and not a cancellation and B) they will still honor the tix already bought for the original show at the rescheduled one.

Re: 2020 Tour (Rumors) (aka Gig A Ton) (aka Gigatour)

Posted: Tue March 10, 2020 3:25 pm
by igotworms
numbers wrote:I’ll be honest, if they don’t cancel the euro dates then it becomes fair to question whether this was a political statement and not about safety.
Bear in mind that the Euro dates are in the summer. There is a hope that the virus will be seasonal, and therefore we'll see a big big drop off in infection numbers during the warmer months.

My guess is they'll give it another 6/8 weeks before they make a decision about the EU tour, which will give them sufficient time to see whether the virus is receding as summer arrives and therefore whether it's safer.

So I really wouldn't view this as a political move in any way. Although it does sound like Donald is the expert on coronavirus so he'll know already whether it's seasonal or not.

Re: 2020 Tour (Rumors) (aka Gig A Ton) (aka Gigatour)

Posted: Tue March 10, 2020 3:43 pm
by Bi_3
The cancellation / gripe made Drudge. Pearl Jam is finally breaking through to the mainstream!

Re: 2020 Tour (Rumors) (aka Gig A Ton) (aka Gigatour)

Posted: Tue March 10, 2020 3:44 pm
by evenslow
for any doubters i would just say pj is buying into the most important way to curtail this: flattening the curve.

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/ ... ncellation
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Re: 2020 Tour (Rumors) (aka Gig A Ton) (aka Gigatour)

Posted: Tue March 10, 2020 3:48 pm
by Angus
Seriously guys
the point is about flattening the curve. If everyone gets corona in the next couple of weeks, the whole healthcare system collapses (which is what is happening in Northern Italy). If we can win time by cancelling events, then there's less pressure on the healthcare system and everyone can get treated.

Belgium govt has also just advised to cancel all events of +1000 people for the coming weeks. And we have so far 250 confirmed cases & 0 deaths on a population of 10m.

This is not about money or festivals or politics. It's necessary & it's the only reasonable thing to do right now.

Re: 2020 Tour (Rumors) (aka Gig A Ton) (aka Gigatour)

Posted: Tue March 10, 2020 3:56 pm
by dimejinky99
sward wrote:
lowlight79 wrote:
Strat wrote:
lowlight79 wrote:
numbers wrote:I’ll be honest, if they don’t cancel the euro dates then it becomes fair to question whether this was a political statement and not about safety.
It's a fair question to ask, there wasn't any "concern" when Ed's wife went to India just last week.
Did you really just compare one persons travel to that of 20,000 people descending on a city for a concert?

Lowlight, c'mon on man.
Let's get real here, it's a virus, that most people ARE recovering from, there are hard hit areas in the world, but it's not a plague. Speaking as someone who has two parents in nursing home currently. I have plenty of reason to worry, but it's not much different from any other virus other there right now. It does affect a certain age groups more than others and people should take precautions. But postponing a tour for it, it's ridiculous.
Something I can actually chime in on! Here's the challenge when something becomes a pandemic or is becoming a pandemic. If you have a severe reaction of x amount, including death rate - logically the more people that get sick , the more the system has to deal with that x amount. You can model the possible outcomes to say that if there's zero intervention from public health, that the infection rate 'could' be anywhere from 70-80% of the population. When they start implementing measures, the number starts to go down. Some of those measures are social distancing and unfortunately canceling events that have a large congregation of people in one area. When you have a virus that has no vaccine, it is all the more important to implement some of the measures we are seeing and doing it sooner than later. Mainly to halt the constant increase of cases that happen with zero measures.

They are doing the right thing. And they are leading the way in terms of artists stepping up. It is something to applaud rather than show disdain.

Neither here nor there, and I do appreciate you do have concern for your vulnerable family, but it is imperative to have the percentages go down for their exposure to = possible instead of likely.

My two cents. Lets ride it out and enjoy the shows when they are able to happen. I would however, like them to put the album out sooner as a gift ;)

Read it again you clown. Yes you.

Re: 2020 Tour (Rumors) (aka Gig A Ton) (aka Gigatour)

Posted: Tue March 10, 2020 4:07 pm
by numbers
igotworms wrote:
numbers wrote:I’ll be honest, if they don’t cancel the euro dates then it becomes fair to question whether this was a political statement and not about safety.
Bear in mind that the Euro dates are in the summer. There is a hope that the virus will be seasonal, and therefore we'll see a big big drop off in infection numbers during the warmer months.

My guess is they'll give it another 6/8 weeks before they make a decision about the EU tour, which will give them sufficient time to see whether the virus is receding as summer arrives and therefore whether it's safer.

So I really wouldn't view this as a political move in any way. Although it does sound like Donald is the expert on coronavirus so he'll know already whether it's seasonal or not.
Oh, I thought the euro dates were sooner than that. I stand corrected.

Re: 2020 Tour (Rumors) (aka Gig A Ton) (aka Gigatour)

Posted: Tue March 10, 2020 4:19 pm
by lowlight79
dimejinky99 wrote:
sward wrote:
lowlight79 wrote:
Strat wrote:
lowlight79 wrote:
numbers wrote:I’ll be honest, if they don’t cancel the euro dates then it becomes fair to question whether this was a political statement and not about safety.
It's a fair question to ask, there wasn't any "concern" when Ed's wife went to India just last week.
Did you really just compare one persons travel to that of 20,000 people descending on a city for a concert?

Lowlight, c'mon on man.
Let's get real here, it's a virus, that most people ARE recovering from, there are hard hit areas in the world, but it's not a plague. Speaking as someone who has two parents in nursing home currently. I have plenty of reason to worry, but it's not much different from any other virus other there right now. It does affect a certain age groups more than others and people should take precautions. But postponing a tour for it, it's ridiculous.
Something I can actually chime in on! Here's the challenge when something becomes a pandemic or is becoming a pandemic. If you have a severe reaction of x amount, including death rate - logically the more people that get sick , the more the system has to deal with that x amount. You can model the possible outcomes to say that if there's zero intervention from public health, that the infection rate 'could' be anywhere from 70-80% of the population. When they start implementing measures, the number starts to go down. Some of those measures are social distancing and unfortunately canceling events that have a large congregation of people in one area. When you have a virus that has no vaccine, it is all the more important to implement some of the measures we are seeing and doing it sooner than later. Mainly to halt the constant increase of cases that happen with zero measures.

They are doing the right thing. And they are leading the way in terms of artists stepping up. It is something to applaud rather than show disdain.

Neither here nor there, and I do appreciate you do have concern for your vulnerable family, but it is imperative to have the percentages go down for their exposure to = possible instead of likely.

My two cents. Lets ride it out and enjoy the shows when they are able to happen. I would however, like them to put the album out sooner as a gift ;)

Read it again you clown. Yes you.
Brah, I thought you were working on my Milan tickets?

Re: 2020 Tour (Rumors) (aka Gig A Ton) (aka Gigatour)

Posted: Tue March 10, 2020 4:49 pm
by B
numbers wrote:I’ll be honest, if they don’t cancel the euro dates then it becomes fair to question whether this was a political statement and not about safety.
Europe is still 3 months off. They cancelled this tour with about a week to go. Things could be very different in early June on a continent where leaders address the problem.

Re: 2020 Tour (Rumors) (aka Gig A Ton) (aka Gigatour)

Posted: Tue March 10, 2020 4:55 pm
by Monkey_Driven
B wrote:
numbers wrote:I’ll be honest, if they don’t cancel the euro dates then it becomes fair to question whether this was a political statement and not about safety.
Europe is still 3 months off. They cancelled this tour with about a week to go. Things could be very different in early June on a continent where leaders address the problem.
Yup.

Re: 2020 Tour (Rumors) (aka Gig A Ton) (aka Gigatour)

Posted: Tue March 10, 2020 5:17 pm
by Bammer
I'm sitting here at 96 minutes and counting on a call (mostly holding) to try and change or cancel the flights I had booked.

Re: 2020 Tour (Rumors) (aka Gig A Ton) (aka Gigatour)

Posted: Tue March 10, 2020 5:18 pm
by Monkey_Driven
I don't fly often, but when I do, I am almost fly Southwest to avoid all of that nonsense.

Re: 2020 Tour (Rumors) (aka Gig A Ton) (aka Gigatour)

Posted: Tue March 10, 2020 5:27 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Bammer wrote:I'm sitting here at 96 minutes and counting on a call (mostly holding) to try and change or cancel the flights I had booked.
The nice thing about having status is we have a special number to call. Was able to cancel a flight today in 10 minutes.

Re: 2020 Tour (Rumors) (aka Gig A Ton) (aka Gigatour)

Posted: Tue March 10, 2020 5:28 pm
by Monkey_Driven
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Bammer wrote:I'm sitting here at 96 minutes and counting on a call (mostly holding) to try and change or cancel the flights I had booked.
The nice thing about having status is we have a special number to call. Was able to cancel a flight today in 10 minutes.
Are you a triple diamond plus elite member?

Re: 2020 Tour (Rumors) (aka Gig A Ton) (aka Gigatour)

Posted: Tue March 10, 2020 5:41 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Monkey_Driven wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Bammer wrote:I'm sitting here at 96 minutes and counting on a call (mostly holding) to try and change or cancel the flights I had booked.
The nice thing about having status is we have a special number to call. Was able to cancel a flight today in 10 minutes.
Are you a triple diamond plus elite member?
Nope.

Re: 2020 Tour (Rumors) (aka Gig A Ton) (aka Gigatour)

Posted: Tue March 10, 2020 5:48 pm
by Monkey_Driven
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Bammer wrote:I'm sitting here at 96 minutes and counting on a call (mostly holding) to try and change or cancel the flights I had booked.
The nice thing about having status is we have a special number to call. Was able to cancel a flight today in 10 minutes.
Are you a triple diamond plus elite member?
Nope.
If you were, the airline would call you to reschedule.

Re: 2020 Tour (Rumors) (aka Gig A Ton) (aka Gigatour)

Posted: Tue March 10, 2020 5:49 pm
by Chris_H_2
Monkey_Driven wrote:I don't fly often, but when I do, I am almost fly Southwest to avoid all of that nonsense.
i'm assuming the greyhound of the skies is the first airlines you'd be likely to contract this thing.

Re: 2020 Tour (Rumors) (aka Gig A Ton) (aka Gigatour)

Posted: Tue March 10, 2020 5:54 pm
by Jammer XCI
My girlfriend is going to see Celine Dion this weekend and she hasn’t cancelled.

Celine Dion has more integrity and balls than Purell Jom confirmed.

Re: 2020 Tour (Rumors) (aka Gig A Ton) (aka Gigatour)

Posted: Tue March 10, 2020 6:00 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
lol I like it. Purell Jam