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Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Fri March 15, 2024 6:40 pm
by tragabigzanda
pearl jam sucks now

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Fri March 15, 2024 6:43 pm
by Ms Harmless
tragabigzanda wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:There’s another element about this that we’ve only just touched on, which is that all this apparent thirst for commercial relevancy potentially serves to undermine whatever proletariat-oriented lyrics Ed is singing. I’m curious how even the committed Dark Matter lovers will find his words actually connect this time around.
it's like I've said in the past

Ed is a liberal democrat, not far left socialist; he hasn't dismantled systems, he fought Ticketmaster (and lost) and put a lot of money into charities

he probably can't spell Proletariat, and that's OK

PJ did a lot of good stuff but I never in my adult life saw them as at the forefront of musical liberation politics and protest

they were, and are, a bunch of decent (flawed) people who held pretty good values, and still are

Ed will continually call out "the rich" as long as there exist people richer than him, which I find pretty typical of people like him, and kind of amusing, but really, he DOES have better values than Trump, Musk and their ilk, so in the grand scheme of things, I don't feel like he's actively lying to me
Good post!
:hooray:

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Fri March 15, 2024 6:46 pm
by RockPusher
Thread needs to be locked. Trag and MH have found peace together.

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Fri March 15, 2024 6:49 pm
by Ms Harmless
when I see PJ championing trans issues I feel like I have dads deciding to nail their colours to the mast when my dad is too chicken shit to do it in public

it's nice that the band with the frontman who once scrawled "pro choice" on his arm during Porch can still make me feel like that

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Fri March 15, 2024 6:50 pm
by RockPusher
Ms Harmless wrote:when I see PJ championing trans issues I feel like I have dads deciding to nail their colours to the mast when my dad is too chicken shit to do it in public

it's nice that the band with the frontman who once scrawled "pro choice" on his arm during Porch can still make me feel like that
:heartbeat:

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Fri March 15, 2024 6:54 pm
by Monkey_Driven
scrub12 wrote:Album isn’t even out for another 35 days or whatever and we’re getting reviews? Is that normal?

Give us another single already.
For monthly magazines, probably? I honestly don't follow music journalism at all.

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Fri March 15, 2024 6:56 pm
by Ms Harmless
OMG I just realised Ed is a himbo

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Fri March 15, 2024 6:58 pm
by Fattie_Vedder
Ms Harmless wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:There’s another element about this that we’ve only just touched on, which is that all this apparent thirst for commercial relevancy potentially serves to undermine whatever proletariat-oriented lyrics Ed is singing. I’m curious how even the committed Dark Matter lovers will find his words actually connect this time around.
it's like I've said in the past

Ed is a liberal democrat, not far left socialist; he hasn't dismantled systems, he fought Ticketmaster (and lost) and put a lot of money into charities

he probably can't spell Proletariat, and that's OK

PJ did a lot of good stuff but I never in my adult life saw them as at the forefront of musical liberation politics and protest

they were, and are, a bunch of decent (flawed) people who held pretty good values, and still are

Ed will continually call out "the rich" as long as there exist people richer than him, which I find pretty typical of people like him, and kind of amusing, but really, he DOES have better values than Trump, Musk and their ilk, so in the grand scheme of things, I don't feel like he's actively lying to me
This 1000%. THIS.

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Fri March 15, 2024 7:02 pm
by RockPusher
There is no celebrity that can represent the vanguard of protest. I learned that when I saw Ani on the cover of Spin.

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Fri March 15, 2024 7:02 pm
by dimejinky99
Fucker takes private jets just to go the store ffs
Don’t even ask about touring it’s private jets and vip lounges all the way
Do not put your hope in him.

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Fri March 15, 2024 7:04 pm
by Ms Harmless
celebs will always disappoint you

stan no one, leave em in the dirt when you've had enough, enjoy what you enjoy critically

JK Rowling will never get a penny from me, Ed is alright

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Fri March 15, 2024 7:05 pm
by RockPusher
dimejinky99 wrote:Fucker takes private jets just to go the store ffs
Don’t even asks out touring it’s private jets and vip loungers all the way
Do not put your hope in him.
Your problem is clearly with celebrity in general, not EV. Hey, that reminds me of my favorite saying:

"I hate humans in general, but I love them in particular"

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Fri March 15, 2024 7:06 pm
by Ms Harmless
oh and, be the change yourself, embody the change

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Fri March 15, 2024 7:09 pm
by Jaeti
scrub12 wrote:Album isn’t even out for another 35 days or whatever and we’re getting reviews? Is that normal?

Give us another single already.
It's getting close.

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Fri March 15, 2024 7:09 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
There's still time, it's no crime to escape

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Fri March 15, 2024 7:11 pm
by DDWJMUVW
Ed himself once warned about the pitfalls of meeting your “idols”.

I think meeting him before the LB era would have been awesome. Now I just worry it would be a disappointment. I feel like he’d very politely give me the cold shoulder unless there was a really compelling reason to chat.

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Fri March 15, 2024 7:15 pm
by guitar_davey
Ms Harmless wrote: it's like I've said in the past

Ed is a liberal democrat, not far left socialist; he hasn't dismantled systems, he fought Ticketmaster (and lost) and put a lot of money into charities

he probably can't spell Proletariat, and that's OK

PJ did a lot of good stuff but I never in my adult life saw them as at the forefront of musical liberation politics and protest

they were, and are, a bunch of decent (flawed) people who held pretty good values, and still are

Ed will continually call out "the rich" as long as there exist people richer than him, which I find pretty typical of people like him, and kind of amusing, but really, he DOES have better values than Trump, Musk and their ilk, so in the grand scheme of things, I don't feel like he's actively lying to me
This is an excellent post.

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Fri March 15, 2024 7:18 pm
by Ms Harmless
I'm definitely further left than Pearl Jam as an adult, but I wouldn't be positioned where I am if I hadn't had Pearl Jam as a child

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Fri March 15, 2024 7:20 pm
by headinspeakers
the best music to me is thoughtful enough to bridge the largely arbitrary "political" issues that carve the differences between people in 2024. if tucker carlson and Chris Cuomo can sit down and find common ground, there's hope for all of us. it feels unlikely, at best, that my personal views and politics would align well with Eddie Vedder's but ultimately, were I ever able to sit down with the man, my sense is that we would agree about far more regarding the continuum of human emotion and importance of connectedness, and fairness, and justice, and the role of music in all of that, than we would disagree about. I think that's usually the result of good art. bringing disparate viewpoints together.

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Fri March 15, 2024 7:20 pm
by Fattie_Vedder
Ms Harmless wrote:celebs will always disappoint you

stan no one, leave em in the dirt when you've had enough, enjoy what you enjoy critically

JK Rowling will never get a penny from me, Ed is alright
:heartbeat:

Fuck that terf Rowling