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durdencommatyler wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Now is not the time to discuss reparations

when is?

After a Democrat wins the presidential election

The reparations debate always takes the wrong format. Discrepancies in maternal and child mortality rates, wrongful imprisonment, pollution exposure, food insecurity, home ownership, and on and on exist. They are factual and demonstrable. In 2016, the median wealth of white families was $171,000, vs a median wealth of just $17,600.

The question isn’t “reparations: yay or nay?“ The question is, if you think there is no lingering impact of slavery or segregation in these figures, what do you believe the underlying cause for such a robust and far reaching set of inequities is, and what is your proposal for fixing it?

McParadigm wrote:The reparations debate always takes the wrong format. Discrepancies in maternal and child mortality rates, wrongful imprisonment, pollution exposure, food insecurity, home ownership, and on and on exist. They are factual and demonstrable. In 2016, the median wealth of white families was $171,000, vs a median wealth of just $17,600.

The question isn’t “reparations: yay or nay?“ The question is, if you think there is no lingering impact of slavery or segregation in these figures, what do you believe the underlying cause for such a robust and far reaching set of inequities is, and what is your proposal for fixing it?

Can a mod fork this to a new thread?

McP should write the debate questions (and slip in something about Star Trek to really test Williamson's mettle).

Simple Torture wrote:McP should write the debate questions (and slip in something about Star Trek to really test Williamson's mettle).

ohmygod don't even joke!

McParadigm wrote:The reparations debate always takes the wrong format. Discrepancies in maternal and child mortality rates, wrongful imprisonment, pollution exposure, food insecurity, home ownership, and on and on exist. They are factual and demonstrable. In 2016, the median wealth of white families was $171,000, vs a median wealth of just $17,600.

The question isn’t “reparations: yay or nay?“ The question is, if you think there is no lingering impact of slavery or segregation in these figures, what do you believe the underlying cause for such a robust and far reaching set of inequities is, and what is your proposal for fixing it?

Now please help us address the many people who will insist that the answer to your question is Black culture. I ask sincerely. I've made the argument you've just made to people, and the answer is usually some variation of America has done this and that thing, and they need to address all the problems in their community. Even when you explain to someone that they, or their parents, were alive when a black guy couldn't take a piss next to a white guy, it always comes back to "we ended that," and "when are they responsible for themselves?"

Personally, I think a direct transfer of wealth for a debt owed to African Americans is the least we can do.

Rob wrote:

McParadigm wrote:The reparations debate always takes the wrong format. Discrepancies in maternal and child mortality rates, wrongful imprisonment, pollution exposure, food insecurity, home ownership, and on and on exist. They are factual and demonstrable. In 2016, the median wealth of white families was $171,000, vs a median wealth of just $17,600.

The question isn’t “reparations: yay or nay?“ The question is, if you think there is no lingering impact of slavery or segregation in these figures, what do you believe the underlying cause for such a robust and far reaching set of inequities is, and what is your proposal for fixing it?

Now please help us address the many people who will insist that the answer to your question is Black culture. I ask sincerely. I've made the argument you've just made to people, and the answer is usually some variation of America has done this and that thing, and they need to address all the problems in their community. Even when you explain to someone that they, or their parents, were alive when a black guy couldn't take a piss next to a white guy, it always comes back to "we ended that," and "when are they responsible for themselves?"

Personally, I think a direct transfer of wealth for a debt owed to African Americans is the least we can do.

Nothing is stopping you from writing a random black person a check, unless you meant other people’s money.

Dipshit of the year post.

Mickey wrote:Dipshit of the year post.

Ivy League quality argument

Bi_3 wrote:

Mickey wrote:Dipshit of the year post.

Ivy League quality argument

Really more of an insult than an argument, homie.

Obama gets it

https://freebeacon.com/politics/cnn-rep ... andidates/

Bi_3 wrote:

Rob wrote:

McParadigm wrote:The reparations debate always takes the wrong format. Discrepancies in maternal and child mortality rates, wrongful imprisonment, pollution exposure, food insecurity, home ownership, and on and on exist. They are factual and demonstrable. In 2016, the median wealth of white families was $171,000, vs a median wealth of just $17,600.

The question isn’t “reparations: yay or nay?“ The question is, if you think there is no lingering impact of slavery or segregation in these figures, what do you believe the underlying cause for such a robust and far reaching set of inequities is, and what is your proposal for fixing it?

Now please help us address the many people who will insist that the answer to your question is Black culture. I ask sincerely. I've made the argument you've just made to people, and the answer is usually some variation of America has done this and that thing, and they need to address all the problems in their community. Even when you explain to someone that they, or their parents, were alive when a black guy couldn't take a piss next to a white guy, it always comes back to "we ended that," and "when are they responsible for themselves?"

Personally, I think a direct transfer of wealth for a debt owed to African Americans is the least we can do.

Nothing is stopping you from writing a random black person a check, unless you meant other people’s money.

They never include themselves in the ranks of the indebted in any concrete way. As if white guilt is a valid basis for economic or social policy in the first place.

I can’t imagine faking enough stupidity to pretend that “you say you want reparations but you don’t write random checks to people of color, so checkmate” is an argument, but I can imagine that it must be comforting to fall back on that sort of obfuscation in order to avoid addressing any of the questions posed above.

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Thinking that giving a long dead slave's descendants free college (or similar) somehow makes up for centuries of chattel slavery is patently ridiculous, but it does open the door for an endless cycle of guilting dumbass white liberals into using everyone else's money to stave off their shame of having more than someone else (while looking selfless and superior in the process), at least until the next round of indulgences need to be paid. The beauty of oppression politics is that it has no end! No lump sum payment will ever cancel the debt--it will never be a fair trade--so best to nip this ridiculous concept in the bud now.

I'm not interested in the best solution out of a lot of bad solutions if the best still makes things worse.

We're solidly in the "vote ourselves more money" stage of our failing republic, but if we're gonna raid the treasury to make up for the fact that the world isn't fair, I at least want my cut.

McParadigm wrote:I can’t imagine faking enough stupidity to pretend that “you say you want reparations but you don’t write random checks to people of color, so checkmate” is an argument, but I can imagine that it must be comforting to fall back on that sort of obfuscation in order to avoid addressing any of the questions posed above.

My comment was about the ridiculous idea of a “other people’s wealth” transfer and how that is the canned NPC response nowadays. That’s why I replied to Robs post and not yours.

For the record I said nothing about financial reparations making up for slavery. If people want to associate reparations with the rest of the SJW stuff, be my guest. The legacy of slavery is right there in front of us, it’s very easy to see. African slaves helped create a lot of the wealth in America, and clearly were denied the ability to inherit any of it. Literally the only part of this ugly past and legacy we can do anything about is address the wealth disparity, which is extreme and has crystal clear causes. We can’t do anything about the intangibles. It’s not about “taking other people’s money,” it’s about acknowledging that some of this wealth would have gone to other people if not for this great injustice.

I’m always interested in hearing other opinions. I can’t remember the numbers but the average white family is worth something like close to $200k, black people close to 5k. Whatever the number is now, it’s extreme. It’s either their fault, or something was done to them. Reparations have not happened because too many people don’t want them. We all acknowledge the injustice, and then use political arguments to explain why it’s a bad idea. Strip the politics and then you see a group with no accumulated wealth, and a history of the value of their labor accruing to others, by force. I don’t know why doing something about this is ridiculous and unreasonable.

Edit - I had to look up what NPC was. Everyone likes a good troll sometimes, but I ain’t no troll. And plenty of people who aren’t liberal activists have made a case for reparations. Christopher Hitchens has a good 10 min video on YouTube that I find compelling and my argument is piggy backing his.