Red Mosquito

McParadigm wrote:

warehouse wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

warehouse wrote:

Thurman Murman wrote:There's just no way that Ed and his wife sit around listening to Pearl Jam shows.

I'd say its more likely that the girl really hurt Ed, and misguided or not he wanted to remove the memory of her from that recording.

which is lame

I understand him...wish there was someone from the old days to tell us again, what happened....but we cant talk about it right?

she cheated on him

We need more of that Ed. Less fixin' more darkness.

I was only about 3-4 songs in when I decided that I should definitely buy the vinyl edition. Damn!

Simple Torture wrote:I was only about 3-4 songs in when I decided that I should definitely buy the vinyl edition. Damn!

It's good. Hearing it, and that "Brain of J" that was on pj.com from the Australian tour makes me want all of 1998 so bad. That version of Brain of J was the absolute best version of it I've ever heard; it was Pearl Jam at the top of their game. I wish I would have make more of an effort to see them that tour, but I did get 2 shows (Tibetan Freedom and Greenville, SC).

darth_vedder wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:I was only about 3-4 songs in when I decided that I should definitely buy the vinyl edition. Damn!

It's good. Hearing it, and that "Brain of J" that was on pj.com from the Australian tour makes me want all of 1998 so bad. That version of Brain of J was the absolute best version of it I've ever heard; it was Pearl Jam at the top of their game. I wish I would have make more of an effort to see them that tour, but I did get 2 shows (Tibetan Freedom and Greenville, SC).

Even if Ed´s voice is very different now, specially in his power and delivery in some songs, he hasnt changed that much.

VinylGuy wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:I was only about 3-4 songs in when I decided that I should definitely buy the vinyl edition. Damn!

It's good. Hearing it, and that "Brain of J" that was on pj.com from the Australian tour makes me want all of 1998 so bad. That version of Brain of J was the absolute best version of it I've ever heard; it was Pearl Jam at the top of their game. I wish I would have make more of an effort to see them that tour, but I did get 2 shows (Tibetan Freedom and Greenville, SC).

Even if Ed´s voice is very different now, specially in his power and delivery in some songs, he hasnt changed that much.

I don't know. The new boots just don't do it for me (although the Lima that was recommended to me is great). Also, it was more the band than anything I was referring to. They were just insanely tight. Check out that "Brain of J" from Australia '98...I think it's PJ at their absolute best (especially Mike, Stone, Jeff and Jack).

darth_vedder wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:I was only about 3-4 songs in when I decided that I should definitely buy the vinyl edition. Damn!

It's good. Hearing it, and that "Brain of J" that was on pj.com from the Australian tour makes me want all of 1998 so bad. That version of Brain of J was the absolute best version of it I've ever heard; it was Pearl Jam at the top of their game. I wish I would have make more of an effort to see them that tour, but I did get 2 shows (Tibetan Freedom and Greenville, SC).

Even if Ed´s voice is very different now, specially in his power and delivery in some songs, he hasnt changed that much.

I don't know. The new boots just don't do it for me (although the Lima that was recommended to me is great). Also, it was more the band than anything I was referring to. They were just insanely tight. Check out that "Brain of J" from Australia '98...I think it's PJ at their absolute best (especially Mike, Stone, Jeff and Jack).

They definitely played the songs with a little more onus back then....

darth_vedder wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:I was only about 3-4 songs in when I decided that I should definitely buy the vinyl edition. Damn!

It's good. Hearing it, and that "Brain of J" that was on pj.com from the Australian tour makes me want all of 1998 so bad. That version of Brain of J was the absolute best version of it I've ever heard; it was Pearl Jam at the top of their game. I wish I would have make more of an effort to see them that tour, but I did get 2 shows (Tibetan Freedom and Greenville, SC).

Even if Ed´s voice is very different now, specially in his power and delivery in some songs, he hasnt changed that much.

I don't know. The new boots just don't do it for me (although the Lima that was recommended to me is great). Also, it was more the band than anything I was referring to. They were just insanely tight. Check out that "Brain of J" from Australia '98...I think it's PJ at their absolute best (especially Mike, Stone, Jeff and Jack).

yeah, i agree...im not talking about the band, i was surprised yesterday after listening to CH 98 and then some 2013 boot how little eddie´s voice changed in some ways.

VinylGuy wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:I was only about 3-4 songs in when I decided that I should definitely buy the vinyl edition. Damn!

It's good. Hearing it, and that "Brain of J" that was on pj.com from the Australian tour makes me want all of 1998 so bad. That version of Brain of J was the absolute best version of it I've ever heard; it was Pearl Jam at the top of their game. I wish I would have make more of an effort to see them that tour, but I did get 2 shows (Tibetan Freedom and Greenville, SC).

Even if Ed´s voice is very different now, specially in his power and delivery in some songs, he hasnt changed that much.

I don't know. The new boots just don't do it for me (although the Lima that was recommended to me is great). Also, it was more the band than anything I was referring to. They were just insanely tight. Check out that "Brain of J" from Australia '98...I think it's PJ at their absolute best (especially Mike, Stone, Jeff and Jack).

yeah, i agree...im not talking about the band, i was surprised yesterday after listening to CH 98 and then some 2013 boot how little eddie´s voice changed in some ways.

He sounds more airy to me. I'm not sure if that's the right word to use, but the barritone doesn't seem to be there as much. Then there is the warble thing...I hear it in the Constitution Hall show during Given To Fly ("he got wup outta there..."), so maybe that is the tour it started? Seems to mee that that it's just gotten worse. Like when I heard the Toronto show from 2011, it was the first time in a long time I've listened to a recent boot, and I was taken back how bad the warble was.

tommymctom wrote:

B wrote:Someone save me some reading. What did they hack out of this boot?

Lazy

They did leave in the thank you before Soldier Of Love to the 'cool women' of Hovercraft: "playing with Pearl Jam for the first time, which is nice for me"...

Whatever the reason behind the de-Bething, they probably figure only a very small proportion of consumers (i.e. us nerds) will even notice, so why the hell not...

I want to purchase, open, and subsequently never listen to the vinyl edition.

Is it possible that Beth is the reason these references are left out? Everyone assume that Ed chooses to leave them out. Maybe Beth has threatened legal action.

B wrote:Is it possible that Beth is the reason these references are left out? Everyone assume that Ed chooses to leave them out. Maybe Beth has threatened legal action.

I thought about that too.

B wrote:Is it possible that Beth is the reason these references are left out? Everyone assume that Ed chooses to leave them out. Maybe Beth has threatened legal action.

Thats what i suggested but i got mocked

Strat wrote:

B wrote:Is it possible that Beth is the reason these references are left out? Everyone assume that Ed chooses to leave them out. Maybe Beth has threatened legal action.

Thats what i suggested but i got mocked

What kind of legal action?

Birds in Hell wrote:

Strat wrote:

B wrote:Is it possible that Beth is the reason these references are left out? Everyone assume that Ed chooses to leave them out. Maybe Beth has threatened legal action.

Thats what i suggested but i got mocked

What kind of legal action?

I have no idea. Perhaps using her name to sing a song and sell it for profit? No clue. Or maybe she threatened to drive into eds big fancy house if he kept putting bootlegs out with him talking about her

Strat wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:What kind of legal action?

I have no idea. Perhaps using her name to sing a song and sell it for profit?

http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/using-n ... ss-another

Seems doubtful:

As a general matter, you will not be held liable for using someone's name or likeness in a creative, entertaining, or artistic work that is transformative, meaning that you add some substantial creative element over and above the mere depiction of the person. In other words, the First Amendment ordinarily protects you if you use someone's name or likeness to create something new that is recognizably your own, rather than something that just evokes and exploits the person's identity.

In any event, they've been apart for 14 years, and while I don't presume to know much about her feelings on the matter, I doubt she keeps close tabs on upcoming Pearl Jam releases for potential mentions of her name. From what I understand she has a family now and has moved on with her life.

I'm quite looking forward to having this on LP after listening to the whole concert last night.

@SkitchP wrote:I want to purchase, open, and subsequently never listen to the vinyl edition.

You might be able to make a pretty good youtube series of you purchasing, then destroying limited edition PJ collectables. I can see it now: "1x01: Skitch burns posters from the '98 tour"

broken iris wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:I want to purchase, open, and subsequently never listen to the vinyl edition.

You might be able to make a pretty good youtube series of you purchasing, then destroying limited edition PJ collectables. I can see it now: "1x01: Skitch burns posters from the '98 tour"

I would definitely subscribe to that.

Birds in Hell wrote:

Strat wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:What kind of legal action?

I have no idea. Perhaps using her name to sing a song and sell it for profit?

http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/using-n ... ss-another

Seems doubtful:

As a general matter, you will not be held liable for using someone's name or likeness in a creative, entertaining, or artistic work that is transformative, meaning that you add some substantial creative element over and above the mere depiction of the person. In other words, the First Amendment ordinarily protects you if you use someone's name or likeness to create something new that is recognizably your own, rather than something that just evokes and exploits the person's identity.

In any event, they've been apart for 14 years, and while I don't presume to know much about her feelings on the matter, I doubt she keeps close tabs on upcoming Pearl Jam releases for potential mentions of her name. From what I understand she has a family now and has moved on with her life.

I agree that it's fairly unlikely, but then again, how likely is it that Ed or his wife feel strongly enough about these passing utterances as to force the mixers to cover them up or cut them prior to releasing an iconic performance. There's really no rational reason for these kind of edits.