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stip wrote:did you love the original gone? I think the band did an okay job turning it into a full number. I think there are just limits to how good a song gone was ever gonna be.
I liked the original one better, but not much, it was just an ok song from the beginning
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durdencommatyler wrote:I think the Gone debacle braced me for this kind of thing, and nothing in this vein could possibly disappoint me now.
My only real problem with Gone is Matt's unsuitable drumming in the verses.
You're cool with the "gas in my tank..." line? That kind of derails the song for me. The same thing happens later on with Inside Job (although on a much larger scale)
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stip wrote:did you love the original gone? I think the band did an okay job turning it into a full number. I think there are just limits to how good a song gone was ever gonna be.
I love all versions of Gone. I just loved it as a b-side for fans. I thought it was going to be that for life. When they decided to put it on an album it took all the wind out of it for me. I wanted it to be a rarity, a special gift for fans.

But the S/T album version is lovely. And I don't think the solo demo is leagues better or anything. I was just disappointed that it wound up on the album after being on a Christmas single.

Point is, after that, I'm prepared for anything to make an album. So I'm not automatically against a full band Uke Song (whichever one it ends up being).
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i never liked the demo. When S/T first came out I enjoyed the new one a lot more since it had a fairly rousing chorus and outro, but it didn't really age well. I don't dislike gone, but I would never seek it out


the gas in my tank lyric gets way more shit than it deserves.
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verb_to_trust wrote:
WtOB? wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:I think the Gone debacle braced me for this kind of thing, and nothing in this vein could possibly disappoint me now.
My only real problem with Gone is Matt's unsuitable drumming in the verses.
You're cool with the "gas in my tank..." line? That kind of derails the song for me. The same thing happens later on with Inside Job (although on a much larger scale)
The gas in my tank line has never bothered me. Not even slightly. Nowhere near as much as Ed's awful Italian in GSMF.
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stip wrote:i never liked the demo. When S/T first came out I enjoyed the new one a lot more since it had a fairly rousing chorus and outro, but it didn't really age well. I don't dislike gone, but I would never seek it out


the gas in my tank lyric gets way more shit than it deserves.
Today is the first time I've ever heard/seen anyone complain about that line. Why is that a bad line?
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There's some excellent versions of Gone from the 2006 tour, it's just one of those songs (like Marker) they didn't manage to nail in the studio. Jeff's bass really elevates the song live. I have no issues at all with the "gas in my tank" line.
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verb_to_trust wrote:
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durdencommatyler wrote:I think the Gone debacle braced me for this kind of thing, and nothing in this vein could possibly disappoint me now.
My only real problem with Gone is Matt's unsuitable drumming in the verses.
You're cool with the "gas in my tank..." line? That kind of derails the song for me. The same thing happens later on with Inside Job (although on a much larger scale)
Well that's on the demo too, but I've never understood what's so bad about that line. Same goes for the Inside Job lyrics. I like em both. They're both a helluva lot better than most of the Backspacer lyrics.
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WtOB? wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:
WtOB? wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:I think the Gone debacle braced me for this kind of thing, and nothing in this vein could possibly disappoint me now.
My only real problem with Gone is Matt's unsuitable drumming in the verses.
You're cool with the "gas in my tank..." line? That kind of derails the song for me. The same thing happens later on with Inside Job (although on a much larger scale)
Well that's on the demo too, but I've never understood what's so bad about that line. Same goes for the Inside Job lyrics. I like em both. They're both a helluva lot better than most of the Backspacer lyrics.
The lyrics to Inside Job aren't the worst thing. They just feel like a first draft. I'm sure I would have liked them in 9th grade.
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stip wrote:
HardTI wrote:This was my favorite uke song, and I'd love to see what the boys can do to it!
mine too, and me too
Anyone remember this McCready post from a couple years ago? Wonder if this is the song it might be used on.
http://mikemccreadypj.tumblr.com/post/6 ... weet-dobro
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durdencommatyler wrote:
stip wrote:i never liked the demo. When S/T first came out I enjoyed the new one a lot more since it had a fairly rousing chorus and outro, but it didn't really age well. I don't dislike gone, but I would never seek it out


the gas in my tank lyric gets way more shit than it deserves.
Today is the first time I've ever heard/seen anyone complain about that line. Why is that a bad line?
I think it's a good one, so I couldn't tell you, but people used to really rail against it.
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durdencommatyler wrote:
WtOB? wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:
WtOB? wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:I think the Gone debacle braced me for this kind of thing, and nothing in this vein could possibly disappoint me now.
My only real problem with Gone is Matt's unsuitable drumming in the verses.
You're cool with the "gas in my tank..." line? That kind of derails the song for me. The same thing happens later on with Inside Job (although on a much larger scale)
Well that's on the demo too, but I've never understood what's so bad about that line. Same goes for the Inside Job lyrics. I like em both. They're both a helluva lot better than most of the Backspacer lyrics.
The lyrics to Inside Job aren't the worst thing. They just feel like a first draft. I'm sure I would have liked them in 9th grade.
I don't normally swear this bad, but going back over the lyrics again has made me think it sounds like a song that Creed would've sung.

Code: Select all

Holding on, the light of the night
On my knees to rise and fix my broken soul

Code: Select all

Let me run into the rain
To be a human light again
*clink* *clink* Damn it. That's 2 bucks for the swear jar.
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stip wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
stip wrote:i never liked the demo. When S/T first came out I enjoyed the new one a lot more since it had a fairly rousing chorus and outro, but it didn't really age well. I don't dislike gone, but I would never seek it out


the gas in my tank lyric gets way more shit than it deserves.
Today is the first time I've ever heard/seen anyone complain about that line. Why is that a bad line?
I think it's a good one, so I couldn't tell you, but people used to really rail against it.
To each, their own. I suppose.
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"Soul" and "Pain" are two words that are hard to pull off in poetry/song lyrics. I hate hearing them used. I'm not saying they can't be affective, but 9 times out of 10, they pull me out of the song and make me cringe.
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yup. I often feel that way about the word love, too.
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durdencommatyler wrote:
WtOB? wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:
WtOB? wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:I think the Gone debacle braced me for this kind of thing, and nothing in this vein could possibly disappoint me now.
My only real problem with Gone is Matt's unsuitable drumming in the verses.
You're cool with the "gas in my tank..." line? That kind of derails the song for me. The same thing happens later on with Inside Job (although on a much larger scale)
Well that's on the demo too, but I've never understood what's so bad about that line. Same goes for the Inside Job lyrics. I like em both. They're both a helluva lot better than most of the Backspacer lyrics.
The lyrics to Inside Job aren't the worst thing. They just feel like a first draft. I'm sure I would have liked them in 9th grade.
Didn't mike write the lyrics?
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Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
WtOB? wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:
WtOB? wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:I think the Gone debacle braced me for this kind of thing, and nothing in this vein could possibly disappoint me now.
My only real problem with Gone is Matt's unsuitable drumming in the verses.
You're cool with the "gas in my tank..." line? That kind of derails the song for me. The same thing happens later on with Inside Job (although on a much larger scale)
Well that's on the demo too, but I've never understood what's so bad about that line. Same goes for the Inside Job lyrics. I like em both. They're both a helluva lot better than most of the Backspacer lyrics.
The lyrics to Inside Job aren't the worst thing. They just feel like a first draft. I'm sure I would have liked them in 9th grade.
Didn't mike write the lyrics?
Yes.
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WtOB? wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:
WtOB? wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:I think the Gone debacle braced me for this kind of thing, and nothing in this vein could possibly disappoint me now.
My only real problem with Gone is Matt's unsuitable drumming in the verses.
You're cool with the "gas in my tank..." line? That kind of derails the song for me. The same thing happens later on with Inside Job (although on a much larger scale)
Well that's on the demo too, but I've never understood what's so bad about that line. Same goes for the Inside Job lyrics. I like em both. They're both a helluva lot better than most of the Backspacer lyrics.

The Inside Job lyrics are total cheese. Mike is a total cornballer and should never be allowed to write lyrics again...ever.

These life affirmation lyrics have more than worn out their welcome. I'm also growing very sick of the whole humans are small compared to the universe trip Eddie has been on for the past 12 years.

I wish he'd get pissed off about something again.
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Vic Cognac wrote:
WtOB? wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:
WtOB? wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:I think the Gone debacle braced me for this kind of thing, and nothing in this vein could possibly disappoint me now.
My only real problem with Gone is Matt's unsuitable drumming in the verses.
You're cool with the "gas in my tank..." line? That kind of derails the song for me. The same thing happens later on with Inside Job (although on a much larger scale)
Well that's on the demo too, but I've never understood what's so bad about that line. Same goes for the Inside Job lyrics. I like em both. They're both a helluva lot better than most of the Backspacer lyrics.

The Inside Job lyrics are total cheese. Mike is a total cornballer and should never be allowed to write lyrics again...ever.

These life affirmation lyrics have more than worn out their welcome. I'm also growing very sick of the whole humans are small compared to the universe trip Eddie has been on for the past 12 years.

I wish he'd get pissed off about something again.
did you like S/T? Other than the last track almost every song is pissed off about something
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stip wrote:
parting ways was from the no code or yield sessions. I'm sure there are other examples of that too.

It's not a question of how many songs you write. It's a question of putting the best songs you have on an album. If a reworked sleeping with myself is really good then they should include it.

The shit people get pissy about...I am consistently amazed (why, I don't know) at how anxious people are to sabotage their enjoyment of a new album, or invent things to complain about.

Just A: wait for a tracklisting, B: wait to hear the song if it is on the record, C: judge whether or not it was inspired then.

there may be a very good reason to hate this, but we don't have it yet.
I think there's a pretty big difference with Parting Ways and something like this. I mean, Sleeping By Myself isn't some stowaway on a bootleg demo collection. It was released on a studio record (wasn't it even a single from it?) It's been out there for years. I don't think it's a reason to sink the whole ship, but you can't see why someone wouldn't feel a little bit like that's a wasted opportunity, considering it's been four years since a PJ record? They may be proven wrong by how great the song, but it's a perfectly reasonable tact to take to the news that they're including it.
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