tragabigzanda wrote:Eminem is measurably very popular, but not so much outside of a specific sort of music fan
This may be the case now, but it was absolutely not the case at the height of his popularity.
Re: Perfect Mainstream Albums
Posted: Wed January 05, 2022 12:33 am
by tragabigzanda
tragabigzanda wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:Top 10 maybe?
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Re: Perfect Mainstream Albums
Posted: Wed January 05, 2022 12:42 am
by tragabigzanda
Re: Perfect Mainstream Albums
Posted: Wed January 05, 2022 12:44 am
by dad
tragabigzanda wrote:
Kevin Davis wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:Eminem is measurably very popular, but not so much outside of a specific sort of music fan
This may be the case now, but it was absolutely not the case at the height of his popularity.
Who, outside of TRL fans and the average college age Napster user, was listening to Eminem? Were any of his songs remotely familiar within the cross-generational zeitgeist in the way that songs by Springsteen, U2, or Petty were?
I don’t know, man. TRL was basically top 40 radio, which is part of the mainstream. I bet everyone has heard My Name Is.
Re: Perfect Mainstream Albums
Posted: Wed January 05, 2022 12:57 am
by Jorge
tragabigzanda wrote:
Kevin Davis wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:Eminem is measurably very popular, but not so much outside of a specific sort of music fan
This may be the case now, but it was absolutely not the case at the height of his popularity.
Who, outside of TRL fans and the average college age Napster user, was listening to Eminem? Were any of his songs remotely familiar within the cross-generational zeitgeist in the way that songs by Springsteen, U2, or Petty were?
Jorge wrote:"Lose Yourself" spent four weeks at #1 of the Mainstream Top 40 airplay chart in 2003
Re: Perfect Mainstream Albums
Posted: Wed January 05, 2022 1:02 am
by wease
tragabigzanda wrote:
Norris wrote:trag: Eminem is not mainstream but someone named Cheyanne Jackson is
I’ll double down on it. Eminem is measurably very popular, but not so much outside of a specific sort of music fan.
Cheyanne Jackson fans are basically anyone who likes Glee and morning shows. You’re actually helping me better define my point here, chud.
I couldn’t name a single Eminem song but I’ve heard of him and recognize him in songs by his voice and style.
I’ve never heard of Cheyenne Jackson and have no idea why other people would know who she is.
Re: Perfect Mainstream Albums
Posted: Wed January 05, 2022 1:04 am
by oasisfan35
tragabigzanda wrote:
Kevin Davis wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:Eminem is measurably very popular, but not so much outside of a specific sort of music fan
This may be the case now, but it was absolutely not the case at the height of his popularity.
Who, outside of TRL fans and the average college age Napster user, was listening to Eminem? Were any of his songs remotely familiar within the cross-generational zeitgeist in the way that songs by Springsteen, U2, or Petty were?
TRL definitely brought a lot of exposure through My Name Is but by the Marshall Mathers LP a lot of individuals were listening to Eminem. Stan got a tremendous amount of cross-over airplay and topped numerous charts also entered the Billboard Mainstream Top 40. Without Me continued the trend topping the Billboard Mainstream Top 40 and coming in at #2 on the Billboard Hot 100.
Next, see what Jorge said above regarding Lose Yourself.
Re: Perfect Mainstream Albums
Posted: Wed January 05, 2022 1:05 am
by tragabigzanda
Re: Perfect Mainstream Albums
Posted: Wed January 05, 2022 1:07 am
by Jorge
Worth a read to see the extent of the guy's popularity and influence beyond just "music fans"
Apparently the best selling artist of the 2000s, too, according to Billboard
Re: Perfect Mainstream Albums
Posted: Wed January 05, 2022 1:07 am
by tragabigzanda
Re: Perfect Mainstream Albums
Posted: Wed January 05, 2022 1:07 am
by tragabigzanda
tragabigzanda wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:Top 10 maybe?
Hello Morning
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I'd maybe bump Life & Limb for Epic Problem
Re: Perfect Mainstream Albums
Posted: Wed January 05, 2022 1:10 am
by Jorge
tragabigzanda wrote:
Jorge wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Kevin Davis wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:Eminem is measurably very popular, but not so much outside of a specific sort of music fan
This may be the case now, but it was absolutely not the case at the height of his popularity.
Who, outside of TRL fans and the average college age Napster user, was listening to Eminem? Were any of his songs remotely familiar within the cross-generational zeitgeist in the way that songs by Springsteen, U2, or Petty were?
Jorge wrote:"Lose Yourself" spent four weeks at #1 of the Mainstream Top 40 airplay chart in 2003
Ok, in that case I'll grant you that Eminem had a single instance of crossover appeal. How many of those listeners do you wager bought an album and listened to the whole thing more than five times?
No, he had 7 top-10 hits in the Mainstream Top 40 airplay chart, "Lose Yourself" is just the one that spent the longest at #1
Re: Perfect Mainstream Albums
Posted: Wed January 05, 2022 1:11 am
by tragabigzanda
Re: Perfect Mainstream Albums
Posted: Wed January 05, 2022 1:12 am
by liebzz
This is very very deep. I took mainstream to mean not Sigur Ros. Or whatever flavor of the day that jumps into the “Albums of…” thread. This is not a judgment on those acts of which there are plenty great ones, but this being a thread where we argue the merits of Born to Run in the same sentence as Born in the USA and Dirt and Nevermind, and perhaps even The Chronic or Eminem. I think the deeper you get into the meaning of the term the less any one band or album applies.
Re: Perfect Mainstream Albums
Posted: Wed January 05, 2022 1:13 am
by tragabigzanda
Re: Perfect Mainstream Albums
Posted: Wed January 05, 2022 1:15 am
by tragabigzanda
Re: Perfect Mainstream Albums
Posted: Wed January 05, 2022 1:16 am
by dad
liebzz wrote:This is very very deep. I took mainstream to mean not Sigur Ros. Or whatever flavor of the day that jumps into the “Albums of…” thread. This is not a judgment on those acts of which there are plenty great ones, but this being a thread where we argue the merits of Born to Run in the same sentence as Born in the USA and Dirt and Nevermind, and perhaps even The Chronic or Eminem. I think the deeper you get into the meaning of the term the less any one band or album applies.
This. All the way, this.
i think trag lost me at the part about crossover appeal. To me, that’s what we’d consider when an indie artist gets mainstream recognition. Or one genre getting popularity in another, ie. Country and Hip-hop, or Walk This Way w/Run DMC. That’s crossover appeal.
Re: Perfect Mainstream Albums
Posted: Wed January 05, 2022 1:23 am
by tragabigzanda
tragabigzanda wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:Top 10 maybe?
Hello Morning
Close Captioned
The Kill
Place/Position
Do You Like Me?
Latest Disgrace
Recap Modotti
Nightshop
Break
Life & Limb