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Re: Coach update

Posted: Tue December 05, 2023 8:26 pm
by tragabigzanda
Carl Sandburg wrote:There is a wolf in me . . . fangs pointed for tearing gashes . . . a red tongue for raw meat . . . and the hot lapping of blood—I keep this wolf because the wilderness gave it to me and the wilderness will not let it go.

There is a fox in me . . . a silver-gray fox . . . I sniff and guess . . . I pick things out of the wind and air . . . I nose in the dark night and take sleepers and eat them and hide the feathers . . . I circle and loop and double-cross.

There is a hog in me . . . a snout and a belly . . . a machinery for eating and grunting . . . a machinery for sleeping satisfied in the sun—I got this too from the wilderness and the wilderness will not let it go.

There is a fish in me . . . I know I came from salt-blue water-gates . . . I scurried with shoals of herring . . . I blew waterspouts with porpoises . . . before land was . . . before the water went down . . . before Noah . . . before the first chapter of Genesis.

There is a baboon in me . . . clambering-clawed . . . dog-faced . . . yawping a galoot's hunger . . . hairy under the armpits . . . here are the hawk-eyed hankering men . . . here are the blonde and blue-eyed women . . . here they hide curled asleep waiting . . . ready to snarl and kill . . . ready to sing and give milk . . . waiting—I keep the baboon because the wilderness says so.

There is an eagle in me and a mockingbird . . . and the eagle flies among the Rocky Mountains of my dreams and fights among the Sierra crags of what I want . . . and the mockingbird warbles in the early forenoon before the dew is gone, warbles in the underbrush of my Chattanoogas of hope, gushes over the blue Ozark foothills of my wishes—And I got the eagle and the mockingbird from the wilderness.

O, I got a zoo, I got a menagerie, inside my ribs, under my bony head, under my red-valve heart—and I got something else: it is a man-child heart, a woman-child heart: it is a father and mother and lover: it came from God-Knows-Where: it is going to God-Knows-Where—For I am the keeper of the zoo: I say yes and no: I sing and kill and work: I am a pal of the world: I came from the wilderness.

Re: Coach update

Posted: Tue December 05, 2023 8:29 pm
by bodysnatcher
Good to know if I ever go through the 12 steps I’ll only have to contact like 2 people

Re: Coach update

Posted: Tue December 05, 2023 8:34 pm
by spike
Yeah I’m trying to wrap my head around needing to make amends to 200 people like trag.

Re: Coach update

Posted: Tue December 05, 2023 8:37 pm
by tree_
probably goes to show why he needed to quit and some of us don't, necessarily

Re: Coach update

Posted: Tue December 05, 2023 8:47 pm
by Chris_H_2
wow, AA is really giving the catholic church a run for its money for making people feel guilty and horrible about themselves.

Re: Coach update

Posted: Tue December 05, 2023 8:53 pm
by tragabigzanda
Carl Sandburg wrote:There is a wolf in me . . . fangs pointed for tearing gashes . . . a red tongue for raw meat . . . and the hot lapping of blood—I keep this wolf because the wilderness gave it to me and the wilderness will not let it go.

There is a fox in me . . . a silver-gray fox . . . I sniff and guess . . . I pick things out of the wind and air . . . I nose in the dark night and take sleepers and eat them and hide the feathers . . . I circle and loop and double-cross.

There is a hog in me . . . a snout and a belly . . . a machinery for eating and grunting . . . a machinery for sleeping satisfied in the sun—I got this too from the wilderness and the wilderness will not let it go.

There is a fish in me . . . I know I came from salt-blue water-gates . . . I scurried with shoals of herring . . . I blew waterspouts with porpoises . . . before land was . . . before the water went down . . . before Noah . . . before the first chapter of Genesis.

There is a baboon in me . . . clambering-clawed . . . dog-faced . . . yawping a galoot's hunger . . . hairy under the armpits . . . here are the hawk-eyed hankering men . . . here are the blonde and blue-eyed women . . . here they hide curled asleep waiting . . . ready to snarl and kill . . . ready to sing and give milk . . . waiting—I keep the baboon because the wilderness says so.

There is an eagle in me and a mockingbird . . . and the eagle flies among the Rocky Mountains of my dreams and fights among the Sierra crags of what I want . . . and the mockingbird warbles in the early forenoon before the dew is gone, warbles in the underbrush of my Chattanoogas of hope, gushes over the blue Ozark foothills of my wishes—And I got the eagle and the mockingbird from the wilderness.

O, I got a zoo, I got a menagerie, inside my ribs, under my bony head, under my red-valve heart—and I got something else: it is a man-child heart, a woman-child heart: it is a father and mother and lover: it came from God-Knows-Where: it is going to God-Knows-Where—For I am the keeper of the zoo: I say yes and no: I sing and kill and work: I am a pal of the world: I came from the wilderness.

Re: Coach update

Posted: Tue December 05, 2023 8:57 pm
by Ello Sailor
Right, so the vast majority of those would fall under living amends? That makes it a lot less neurotic and weird.

Re: Coach update

Posted: Tue December 05, 2023 8:57 pm
by tree_
tragabigzanda wrote:
spike wrote:Yeah I’m trying to wrap my head around needing to make amends to 200 people like trag.
The majority were either public figures, or people who I was holding on to resentments from since I was like five years old. The number of resentments I'd catalogued since becoming an adult was much smaller.
which RMers?

Re: Coach update

Posted: Tue December 05, 2023 9:15 pm
by tragabigzanda
Carl Sandburg wrote:There is a wolf in me . . . fangs pointed for tearing gashes . . . a red tongue for raw meat . . . and the hot lapping of blood—I keep this wolf because the wilderness gave it to me and the wilderness will not let it go.

There is a fox in me . . . a silver-gray fox . . . I sniff and guess . . . I pick things out of the wind and air . . . I nose in the dark night and take sleepers and eat them and hide the feathers . . . I circle and loop and double-cross.

There is a hog in me . . . a snout and a belly . . . a machinery for eating and grunting . . . a machinery for sleeping satisfied in the sun—I got this too from the wilderness and the wilderness will not let it go.

There is a fish in me . . . I know I came from salt-blue water-gates . . . I scurried with shoals of herring . . . I blew waterspouts with porpoises . . . before land was . . . before the water went down . . . before Noah . . . before the first chapter of Genesis.

There is a baboon in me . . . clambering-clawed . . . dog-faced . . . yawping a galoot's hunger . . . hairy under the armpits . . . here are the hawk-eyed hankering men . . . here are the blonde and blue-eyed women . . . here they hide curled asleep waiting . . . ready to snarl and kill . . . ready to sing and give milk . . . waiting—I keep the baboon because the wilderness says so.

There is an eagle in me and a mockingbird . . . and the eagle flies among the Rocky Mountains of my dreams and fights among the Sierra crags of what I want . . . and the mockingbird warbles in the early forenoon before the dew is gone, warbles in the underbrush of my Chattanoogas of hope, gushes over the blue Ozark foothills of my wishes—And I got the eagle and the mockingbird from the wilderness.

O, I got a zoo, I got a menagerie, inside my ribs, under my bony head, under my red-valve heart—and I got something else: it is a man-child heart, a woman-child heart: it is a father and mother and lover: it came from God-Knows-Where: it is going to God-Knows-Where—For I am the keeper of the zoo: I say yes and no: I sing and kill and work: I am a pal of the world: I came from the wilderness.

Re: Coach update

Posted: Tue December 05, 2023 9:45 pm
by wease
Chris_H_2 wrote:wow, AA is really giving the catholic church a run for its money for making people feel guilty and horrible about themselves.
It was started by the Oxford Group.

Re: Coach update

Posted: Tue December 05, 2023 10:18 pm
by Strat
tragabigzanda wrote:
tree_ wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
spike wrote:Yeah I’m trying to wrap my head around needing to make amends to 200 people like trag.
The majority were either public figures, or people who I was holding on to resentments from since I was like five years old. The number of resentments I'd catalogued since becoming an adult was much smaller.
which RMers?
I just looked it up, honestly zero
PHEW!

Re: Coach update

Posted: Tue December 05, 2023 10:20 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Strat wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
tree_ wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
spike wrote:Yeah I’m trying to wrap my head around needing to make amends to 200 people like trag.
The majority were either public figures, or people who I was holding on to resentments from since I was like five years old. The number of resentments I'd catalogued since becoming an adult was much smaller.
which RMers?
I just looked it up, honestly zero
PHEW!
He forgot you were on RM

Re: Coach update

Posted: Tue December 05, 2023 10:28 pm
by Strat
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Strat wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
tree_ wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
spike wrote:Yeah I’m trying to wrap my head around needing to make amends to 200 people like trag.
The majority were either public figures, or people who I was holding on to resentments from since I was like five years old. The number of resentments I'd catalogued since becoming an adult was much smaller.
which RMers?
I just looked it up, honestly zero
PHEW!
He forgot you were on RM
You just made my list

Re: Coach update

Posted: Wed December 06, 2023 3:20 am
by 96583UP
tragabigzanda wrote:
96583UP wrote:
Ello Sailor wrote:This is a catch-all thread for recovery. That includes your butt and all of its troubles, Numbers.

We're here for you.
thank you

my poop this morning was good

i just had taco salad for lunch w lots of black beans and veggies, so I am optimistic about the future as well

thank you, for being there for me through this journey <braces for Trag lecture based on his personal walk with poop>
Step 2 is mostly about taco salad so you’re right on track
this is a step i tend to revisit every Tuesday

Re: Coach update

Posted: Wed December 06, 2023 3:20 am
by 96583UP
spike wrote:So there are some sensible guidelines. What sort of parameters need to be met to justify making amends with old sexual partners? Like, a drunken one night stand shouldn’t be a enough of a qualifier.
chix w/ dix r ok?

Re: Coach update

Posted: Thu February 01, 2024 9:17 am
by Coach
Ugh, came across old pics of ex GF and me and got triggered but didn't act on it. Deleted said photos, I thought that I had deleted all of them but it's tough to wipe out a year.

Re: Coach update

Posted: Thu February 01, 2024 10:05 am
by BurtReynolds
Hang in there, Coach.

Re: Coach update

Posted: Thu February 01, 2024 10:19 am
by Coach
Is the new pearl jam album here yet?

Re: Coach update

Posted: Thu February 01, 2024 11:14 am
by tragabigzanda
Carl Sandburg wrote:There is a wolf in me . . . fangs pointed for tearing gashes . . . a red tongue for raw meat . . . and the hot lapping of blood—I keep this wolf because the wilderness gave it to me and the wilderness will not let it go.

There is a fox in me . . . a silver-gray fox . . . I sniff and guess . . . I pick things out of the wind and air . . . I nose in the dark night and take sleepers and eat them and hide the feathers . . . I circle and loop and double-cross.

There is a hog in me . . . a snout and a belly . . . a machinery for eating and grunting . . . a machinery for sleeping satisfied in the sun—I got this too from the wilderness and the wilderness will not let it go.

There is a fish in me . . . I know I came from salt-blue water-gates . . . I scurried with shoals of herring . . . I blew waterspouts with porpoises . . . before land was . . . before the water went down . . . before Noah . . . before the first chapter of Genesis.

There is a baboon in me . . . clambering-clawed . . . dog-faced . . . yawping a galoot's hunger . . . hairy under the armpits . . . here are the hawk-eyed hankering men . . . here are the blonde and blue-eyed women . . . here they hide curled asleep waiting . . . ready to snarl and kill . . . ready to sing and give milk . . . waiting—I keep the baboon because the wilderness says so.

There is an eagle in me and a mockingbird . . . and the eagle flies among the Rocky Mountains of my dreams and fights among the Sierra crags of what I want . . . and the mockingbird warbles in the early forenoon before the dew is gone, warbles in the underbrush of my Chattanoogas of hope, gushes over the blue Ozark foothills of my wishes—And I got the eagle and the mockingbird from the wilderness.

O, I got a zoo, I got a menagerie, inside my ribs, under my bony head, under my red-valve heart—and I got something else: it is a man-child heart, a woman-child heart: it is a father and mother and lover: it came from God-Knows-Where: it is going to God-Knows-Where—For I am the keeper of the zoo: I say yes and no: I sing and kill and work: I am a pal of the world: I came from the wilderness.

Re: Coach update

Posted: Thu February 01, 2024 1:12 pm
by Coach
tragabigzanda wrote:Yes but it’s mostly about your ex so you’re screwed
Fawk