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Re: Let's make the Ultimate PJ Album: TRACK 5

Posted: Wed November 20, 2024 11:14 pm
by Farmer John
How about instead of picking a Lightning Bolt song, we all do a write-in vote and put In the Moonlight on this bitch

Re: Let's make the Ultimate PJ Album: TRACK 5

Posted: Wed November 20, 2024 11:19 pm
by Anders
Despite some negativity around them here, I think Pendulum and Yellow Moon are pretty good. They would have benefited from being made for Gigaton or Dark Matter, and could them have been really good songs.

Re: Let's make the Ultimate PJ Album: TRACK 5

Posted: Wed November 20, 2024 11:22 pm
by wease
Anders wrote:Despite some negativity around them here, I think Pendulum and Yellow Moon are pretty good. They would have benefited from being made for Gigaton or Dark Matter, and could them have been really good songs.
I love Pendulum

Re: Let's make the Ultimate PJ Album: TRACK 5

Posted: Wed November 20, 2024 11:22 pm
by wease
Farmer John wrote:How about instead of picking a Lightning Bolt song, we all do a write-in vote and put In the Moonlight on this bitch
Fuck yeah

Re: Let's make the Ultimate PJ Album: TRACK 5

Posted: Wed November 20, 2024 11:25 pm
by epilogue
wease wrote:
Farmer John wrote:How about instead of picking a Lightning Bolt song, we all do a write-in vote and put In the Moonlight on this bitch
Fuck yeah
In!

Re: Let's make the Ultimate PJ Album: TRACK 5

Posted: Wed November 20, 2024 11:27 pm
by tommy
Jorge will never allow it and Stip would be really upset.

Re: Let's make the Ultimate PJ Album: TRACK 5

Posted: Wed November 20, 2024 11:29 pm
by Farmer John
But we have the numbers.

There are dozens of us. Dozens!

Re: Let's make the Ultimate PJ Album: TRACK 5

Posted: Wed November 20, 2024 11:31 pm
by wease
stip wrote:So the problem is I like Alright less than every remaining option on Gigaton, since Retrograde has risen in my esteem over the year

BUT I like Won't Tell less than Wreckage, Stevie, or Setting Sun (prefer it to Got to Give). So I don't want to move my Wishlist vote, and people should be supporting it, because it's great
I’m with you

Re: Let's make the Ultimate PJ Album: TRACK 5

Posted: Wed November 20, 2024 11:45 pm
by tragabigzanda
pearl jam sucks now

Re: Let's make the Ultimate PJ Album: TRACK 5

Posted: Wed November 20, 2024 11:47 pm
by tommy
tragabigzanda wrote:
epilogue wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
epilogue wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tommy wrote:What's the ratio of millennials to gen xers here? I'm barely a millennial (born in 84)
Probably more Xennials than anything else (born between 1977-1983).
What's the point in sub-dividing the arbitrary and made-up generational labels?

We deserve Donald Trump.
As a Xennial myself, I’ve spent a good amount of time thinking on this and I believe the subdivision has merit. I was six when my school had three personal computers it shared on little push carts; my teenage years relied on pavers rather than cell phones, while cell phones became a common accessory in my early 20s.

I went from Atari 2600 to playing PS4 online with my friends; I saw the crack epidemic in the news and had DARE shoved down my throat in school.

There are more examples of these sorts of “edge network” cultural experiences that people just a few years older than me either missed as a formative piece of their adolescence; and a few years younger than me missed entirely.

Also Pendulum is a bad song. Most xennials know that.
Right. But since these divides are completely made-up by... who exactly? ... maybe just move the year/age range by a year and two and put them in whichever cheekily-named category best fits?

Or just abandon the exercise all together because what does it really serve?
To your first point, I’ve got no problem there.

To your second point, it serves as an easy bit of pop-sociology categorization that allows people from marginally different cultural backgrounds to more readily navigate their intersectionality of shared experience. Which sounds more important than it probably is; but it’s not unimportant.
You sound like an insane person right now

Re: Let's make the Ultimate PJ Album: TRACK 5

Posted: Wed November 20, 2024 11:54 pm
by wease
tommy wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
epilogue wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
epilogue wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tommy wrote:What's the ratio of millennials to gen xers here? I'm barely a millennial (born in 84)
Probably more Xennials than anything else (born between 1977-1983).
What's the point in sub-dividing the arbitrary and made-up generational labels?

We deserve Donald Trump.
As a Xennial myself, I’ve spent a good amount of time thinking on this and I believe the subdivision has merit. I was six when my school had three personal computers it shared on little push carts; my teenage years relied on pavers rather than cell phones, while cell phones became a common accessory in my early 20s.

I went from Atari 2600 to playing PS4 online with my friends; I saw the crack epidemic in the news and had DARE shoved down my throat in school.

There are more examples of these sorts of “edge network” cultural experiences that people just a few years older than me either missed as a formative piece of their adolescence; and a few years younger than me missed entirely.

Also Pendulum is a bad song. Most xennials know that.
Right. But since these divides are completely made-up by... who exactly? ... maybe just move the year/age range by a year and two and put them in whichever cheekily-named category best fits?

Or just abandon the exercise all together because what does it really serve?
To your first point, I’ve got no problem there.

To your second point, it serves as an easy bit of pop-sociology categorization that allows people from marginally different cultural backgrounds to more readily navigate their intersectionality of shared experience. Which sounds more important than it probably is; but it’s not unimportant.
You sound like an insane person right now
Gen X all the way motherfuckers

Re: Let's make the Ultimate PJ Album: TRACK 5

Posted: Wed November 20, 2024 11:59 pm
by epilogue
tragabigzanda wrote:To your second point, it serves as an easy bit of pop-sociology categorization that allows people from marginally different cultural backgrounds to more readily navigate their intersectionality of shared experience. Which sounds more important than it probably is; but it’s not unimportant.
I believe this was always supposed to be true. And maybe even was at one point? But now-a-days it just seems like a way to other people or to broadly complain about a large group rather than empathize and/or engage. It's gone from sociology to social media dunking.

And it seems like we should have a better way to achieving what you're describing than these weird labels.

Re: Let's make the Ultimate PJ Album: TRACK 5

Posted: Thu November 21, 2024 12:00 am
by tommy
epilogue wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:To your second point, it serves as an easy bit of pop-sociology categorization that allows people from marginally different cultural backgrounds to more readily navigate their intersectionality of shared experience. Which sounds more important than it probably is; but it’s not unimportant.
I believe this was always supposed to be true. And maybe even was at one point? But now-a-days it just seems like a way to other people or to broadly complain about a large group rather than empathize and/or engage. It's gone from sociology to social media dunking.

And it seems like we should have a better way to achieving what you're describing than these weird labels.
Maybe some sort of number that increases relative to the year that you were born

Re: Let's make the Ultimate PJ Album: TRACK 5

Posted: Thu November 21, 2024 12:20 am
by epilogue
tommy wrote:
epilogue wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:To your second point, it serves as an easy bit of pop-sociology categorization that allows people from marginally different cultural backgrounds to more readily navigate their intersectionality of shared experience. Which sounds more important than it probably is; but it’s not unimportant.
I believe this was always supposed to be true. And maybe even was at one point? But now-a-days it just seems like a way to other people or to broadly complain about a large group rather than empathize and/or engage. It's gone from sociology to social media dunking.

And it seems like we should have a better way to achieving what you're describing than these weird labels.
Maybe some sort of number that increases relative to the year that you were born
:lol:

Brilliant!

Re: Let's make the Ultimate PJ Album: TRACK 5

Posted: Thu November 21, 2024 12:32 am
by tragabigzanda
pearl jam sucks now

Re: Let's make the Ultimate PJ Album: TRACK 5

Posted: Thu November 21, 2024 1:27 am
by Jorge
tommy wrote:
epilogue wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:To your second point, it serves as an easy bit of pop-sociology categorization that allows people from marginally different cultural backgrounds to more readily navigate their intersectionality of shared experience. Which sounds more important than it probably is; but it’s not unimportant.
I believe this was always supposed to be true. And maybe even was at one point? But now-a-days it just seems like a way to other people or to broadly complain about a large group rather than empathize and/or engage. It's gone from sociology to social media dunking.

And it seems like we should have a better way to achieving what you're describing than these weird labels.
Maybe some sort of number that increases relative to the year that you were born
You're missing part of the point of generational categorizations. It's not just about growth (what everyone goes through in their 20s, 30s, etc), but also the shared cultural shifts — the Cold War and the fear of nuclear war (defining for Boomers), the AIDS crisis and its profound social and cultural impact (central for Gen X), 9/11 and surveillance culture (a formative experience for Millennials), the rise of social media and its impact on communication (shaping Millennials and Gen Z) — that define generational identity.

Re: Let's make the Ultimate PJ Album: TRACK 5

Posted: Thu November 21, 2024 1:33 am
by Jaeti
Anders wrote:Despite some negativity around them here, I think Pendulum and Yellow Moon are pretty good. They would have benefited from being made for Gigaton or Dark Matter, and could them have been really good songs.
I guess maybe Alright kinda is Pendulum, but better.

Re: Let's make the Ultimate PJ Album: TRACK 5

Posted: Thu November 21, 2024 1:45 am
by Tj
As a thought experiment I would like to see others personal list.
Mine at the moment
Who Ever Said
Animal
My Father's son
Cropduster
Black
Parachutes
Unthought Known
Corduroy
Grievance
Present Tense
Setting Sun
Push Me Pull me
Immortality

Re: Let's make the Ultimate PJ Album: TRACK 5

Posted: Thu November 21, 2024 2:08 am
by tragabigzanda
pearl jam sucks now

Re: Let's make the Ultimate PJ Album: TRACK 5

Posted: Thu November 21, 2024 2:25 am
by Farmer John
It's harder than it looks. I've tried a few times and I'm never completely satisfied.

The best I can do at the moment:

01. Brain of J
02. Hail, Hail
03. Dance of the Clairvoyants
04. Cropduster
05. Nothingman
06. Unemployable
07. Oceans
08. Swallowed Whole
09. Speed of Sound
10. Rival
11. Setting Sun
12. Indifference
13. All Those Yesterdays