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Re: The Environment Thread

Posted: Fri November 09, 2018 11:53 pm
by bune
Bi_3 wrote:
bune wrote: That's a nice shot. Terrifying, but nice.
Wow. Kind looks like the cloud has an uncircumcised penis on the right there.
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Re: The Environment Thread

Posted: Fri November 09, 2018 11:55 pm
by doug rr
not joking here but people might be jumping in the ocean soon..its just crossed pch on the west side in some parts

Re: The Environment Thread

Posted: Sat November 10, 2018 12:12 am
by doug rr
on a lighter note, there has been 24 earthquakes near palm spring today...

Re: The Environment Thread

Posted: Sat November 10, 2018 12:13 am
by LetMeSleep
Maybe an offshore earthquake can trigger a tsunami which can deal with the fire.

Re: The Environment Thread

Posted: Mon November 12, 2018 7:20 am
by simple schoolboy
It's a beautiful thing when simultaneous fires in Northern and Southern California are able to bring out regional rivalries.

Northern California can't compete with the press coverage from man on the street interviews with the Sheen family or Gerard Butler tweeting his burned out house. Why this is something to angrily tweet about, I'm not sure.

Anyhow, its kind of crazy that a drizzle back on Halloween (normally around the time we get our first rain of the season) would have almost certainly stopped this from getting so bad.

Re: The Environment Thread

Posted: Wed November 14, 2018 2:33 pm
by Stickman

Re: The Environment Thread

Posted: Wed November 14, 2018 4:00 pm
by bune
PG&E shares dive after utility flags impact from Camp wildfire

So what happens if a utility goes bankrupt? Too big to fail all over again?

Re: The Environment Thread

Posted: Wed November 14, 2018 4:49 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE

Re: The Environment Thread

Posted: Fri November 16, 2018 11:25 pm
by bune
California throws lifeline to PG&E for wildfires
SACRAMENTO, Calif. - Shares of Pacific Gas & Electric soared Friday after California's top utility regulator said his agency will help the company deal with potentially crippling liability costs from wildfires.

Stock prices soared nearly 38 percent after plunging 60 percent and losing $15 billion in valuation in the week following the Northern California wildfire that is the nation's deadliest in a century.
So who bought a ton of PGE stock the other day?

I get it. I don't like it, but I get it.
In an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle, Picker said his agency will soon implement a provision in a new state law that makes it easier for utilities to pass costs for past wildfires to their customers. He said additional legislation may be needed to ensure that provision applies to this year's fires.

Re: The Environment Thread

Posted: Sat November 17, 2018 3:04 am
by McParadigm
More than a thousand unaccounted for now

Re: The Environment Thread

Posted: Sat November 24, 2018 6:54 pm
by Stickman

Re: The Environment Thread

Posted: Mon November 26, 2018 4:32 pm
by Green Habit
What's going on in Paris right now should be a major warning sign for technocratic AGW hawks who think that pricing greenhouse gases is a complete no-brainer policy that the general public's going to easily accept.

Re: The Environment Thread

Posted: Sat December 01, 2018 5:51 pm
by McParadigm

Re: The Environment Thread

Posted: Mon December 03, 2018 10:27 pm
by BurtReynolds
"maybe we can tax our way out of climate change..."

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Re: The Environment Thread

Posted: Tue December 04, 2018 7:23 am
by Angus
It took surprisingly long though. They've been cutting down on public transport for years. Small villages are completely deconnected. Banks, supermarkets, ... are all gone from those small villages because of 'restructuring' and then the rich, new-leftist/greens (which is basically the same here and only lives in the cities) tell everyone "go by bike or public transport", right wing gov fully agrees for once and raises tax on fuel, because that's good for the environment and will motivate people to leave the car at home and certainly not because raising taxes to get themselves paid more is their favourite hobby. So you have a whole new lower middle class who lives on the countryside that suddenly has trouble making ends meet. And of course, protests against government and prices will attract anarchists & other leftist groups who are always in for a little party, so things get a little out of hand, police reacts strongly and the topic changes from "where do these obscene high fuel prices suddenly come from?" to "must be tough on violence". Same in France, same in Belgium.

But we're all going to pretend we're surprised that we won't vote for the traditional parties anymore and go from one extreme to the other.

Re: The Environment Thread

Posted: Tue December 04, 2018 2:58 pm
by Green Habit
BurtReynolds wrote:"maybe we can tax our way out of climate change..."

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Hooray! Now hopefully they just scrap the whole thing and work to actually shut down polluters right at the source.

Re: The Environment Thread

Posted: Tue December 04, 2018 3:04 pm
by Green Habit
Angus wrote:It took surprisingly long though. They've been cutting down on public transport for years. Small villages are completely deconnected. Banks, supermarkets, ... are all gone from those small villages because of 'restructuring' and then the rich, new-leftist/greens (which is basically the same here and only lives in the cities) tell everyone "go by bike or public transport", right wing gov fully agrees for once and raises tax on fuel, because that's good for the environment and will motivate people to leave the car at home and certainly not because raising taxes to get themselves paid more is their favourite hobby. So you have a whole new lower middle class who lives on the countryside that suddenly has trouble making ends meet. And of course, protests against government and prices will attract anarchists & other leftist groups who are always in for a little party, so things get a little out of hand, police reacts strongly and the topic changes from "where do these obscene high fuel prices suddenly come from?" to "must be tough on violence". Same in France, same in Belgium.

But we're all going to pretend we're surprised that we won't vote for the traditional parties anymore and go from one extreme to the other.
Great explanation. You need to actually build the infrastructure that replaces fossil fuel consumption instead of just throwing up a tax and claiming it will all sort itself out.

Re: The Environment Thread

Posted: Tue December 04, 2018 10:48 pm
by Bi_3
Green Habit wrote:
Angus wrote:It took surprisingly long though. They've been cutting down on public transport for years. Small villages are completely deconnected. Banks, supermarkets, ... are all gone from those small villages because of 'restructuring' and then the rich, new-leftist/greens (which is basically the same here and only lives in the cities) tell everyone "go by bike or public transport", right wing gov fully agrees for once and raises tax on fuel, because that's good for the environment and will motivate people to leave the car at home and certainly not because raising taxes to get themselves paid more is their favourite hobby. So you have a whole new lower middle class who lives on the countryside that suddenly has trouble making ends meet. And of course, protests against government and prices will attract anarchists & other leftist groups who are always in for a little party, so things get a little out of hand, police reacts strongly and the topic changes from "where do these obscene high fuel prices suddenly come from?" to "must be tough on violence". Same in France, same in Belgium.

But we're all going to pretend we're surprised that we won't vote for the traditional parties anymore and go from one extreme to the other.
Great explanation. You need to actually build the infrastructure that replaces fossil fuel consumption instead of just throwing up a tax and claiming it will all sort itself out.
How does that defeat capitalism and avenge colonialism?

Re: The Environment Thread

Posted: Thu December 06, 2018 4:37 pm
by bune

Re: The Environment Thread

Posted: Thu December 06, 2018 4:38 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
I would