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BurtReynolds wrote:

stip wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Han Solo was far more interested in finding his ship than reconnecting with Leia or saving his son. And I suspect that most fanboys had the strongest reaction to Han saying "we're home" than any of his interactions with his ex or whiny kid.

I never cared for the 'we're home' line. Even in the trailers that one never moved me.

And I don't think it's fair to say he's more interested. The ship is safe. His relationship with Leia is damaged and he thinks his son is beyond redemption (but he trusts/cares enough for Leia and his son to risk his life to try anyway).

It's fair to say if you look at Ford's performance, the script, the importance the movie gives to his ship, etc. Again, we are simply told his relationship with Leia is damaged, not shown (and when they reconnect its treated like they had a little spat and everything is patched up). Same with his son. In contrast, Han finding his ship is treated like finding the Holy Grail (because spaceships sell toys, not space princesses). Stop looking at it merely from a plot perspective.

have you ever loved someone that you know you can't be around because its better for the both of you?

BurtReynolds wrote:

stip wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Han Solo was far more interested in finding his ship than reconnecting with Leia or saving his son. And I suspect that most fanboys had the strongest reaction to Han saying "we're home" than any of his interactions with his ex or whiny kid.

I never cared for the 'we're home' line. Even in the trailers that one never moved me.

And I don't think it's fair to say he's more interested. The ship is safe. His relationship with Leia is damaged and he thinks his son is beyond redemption (but he trusts/cares enough for Leia and his son to risk his life to try anyway).

It's fair to say if you look at Ford's performance, the script, the importance the movie gives to his ship, etc. Again, we are simply told his relationship with Leia is damaged, not shown (and when they reconnect its treated like they had a little spat and everything is patched up). Same with his son. In contrast, Han finding his ship is treated like finding the Holy Grail (because spaceships sell toys, not space princesses). Stop looking at it merely from a plot perspective.

I didnt get the sense that everything was patched up. Im not sure we saw the same movie. They were happy to see each other but i dont think they were about to live happily ever after.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:If even Burt is agreeing with me, you guys should really reconsider what you're saying.

don't lump me in with stip

Mecca wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:If even Burt is agreeing with me, you guys should really reconsider what you're saying.

don't lump me in with stip

Did you say lump?

Mecca wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Han Solo was far more interested in finding his ship than reconnecting with Leia or saving his son. And I suspect that most fanboys had the strongest reaction to Han saying "we're home" than any of his interactions with his ex or whiny kid.

aside from fan service, finding the falcon was a way of finding his way back to his old self. The reasons he stayed away from Leia and his son are also established and organic. I mean, he an Leia basically say they went back to their old lives as a coping mechanism for giving birth to a horrible person that threatened the way of life they had worked for. It's organic, burt!

That stupid ship was present in every major event in his post smuggling career as well, so saying it represented his smuggling days doesn't hold much water. He probably banged Leia in one of the secret smuggling holds.

Mecca wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

stip wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Han Solo was far more interested in finding his ship than reconnecting with Leia or saving his son. And I suspect that most fanboys had the strongest reaction to Han saying "we're home" than any of his interactions with his ex or whiny kid.

I never cared for the 'we're home' line. Even in the trailers that one never moved me.

And I don't think it's fair to say he's more interested. The ship is safe. His relationship with Leia is damaged and he thinks his son is beyond redemption (but he trusts/cares enough for Leia and his son to risk his life to try anyway).

It's fair to say if you look at Ford's performance, the script, the importance the movie gives to his ship, etc. Again, we are simply told his relationship with Leia is damaged, not shown (and when they reconnect its treated like they had a little spat and everything is patched up). Same with his son. In contrast, Han finding his ship is treated like finding the Holy Grail (because spaceships sell toys, not space princesses). Stop looking at it merely from a plot perspective.

have you ever loved someone that you know you can't be around because its better for the both of you?

yes! its immensely painful. Someone should make a movie like that. With characters that resemble real people and everything. It can still have laser swords, though. I'm not knocking the laser swords at all.

If a wookie pooped in your ship, you scrap the ship. Any other action is implausible.

this is truly fucking insufferable.

Strat wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

stip wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Han Solo was far more interested in finding his ship than reconnecting with Leia or saving his son. And I suspect that most fanboys had the strongest reaction to Han saying "we're home" than any of his interactions with his ex or whiny kid.

I never cared for the 'we're home' line. Even in the trailers that one never moved me.

And I don't think it's fair to say he's more interested. The ship is safe. His relationship with Leia is damaged and he thinks his son is beyond redemption (but he trusts/cares enough for Leia and his son to risk his life to try anyway).

It's fair to say if you look at Ford's performance, the script, the importance the movie gives to his ship, etc. Again, we are simply told his relationship with Leia is damaged, not shown (and when they reconnect its treated like they had a little spat and everything is patched up). Same with his son. In contrast, Han finding his ship is treated like finding the Holy Grail (because spaceships sell toys, not space princesses). Stop looking at it merely from a plot perspective.

I didnt get the sense that everything was patched up. Im not sure we saw the same movie. They were happy to see each other but i dont think they were about to live happily ever after.

Han was like "hey" and Leia was like "oh hey, guy I slept with that one time a long time ago. How's it going, brah?" and han was "good. good." then she was like "hey remember that kid we had? Could you go get him?" and han was like "yeah sure no problem"

I thought this thread was implausible, yet here we are.

BurtReynolds wrote:

Mecca wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

stip wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Han Solo was far more interested in finding his ship than reconnecting with Leia or saving his son. And I suspect that most fanboys had the strongest reaction to Han saying "we're home" than any of his interactions with his ex or whiny kid.

I never cared for the 'we're home' line. Even in the trailers that one never moved me.

And I don't think it's fair to say he's more interested. The ship is safe. His relationship with Leia is damaged and he thinks his son is beyond redemption (but he trusts/cares enough for Leia and his son to risk his life to try anyway).

It's fair to say if you look at Ford's performance, the script, the importance the movie gives to his ship, etc. Again, we are simply told his relationship with Leia is damaged, not shown (and when they reconnect its treated like they had a little spat and everything is patched up). Same with his son. In contrast, Han finding his ship is treated like finding the Holy Grail (because spaceships sell toys, not space princesses). Stop looking at it merely from a plot perspective.

have you ever loved someone that you know you can't be around because its better for the both of you?

yes! its immensely painful. Someone should make a movie like that. With characters that resemble real people and everything. It can still have laser swords, though. I'm not knocking the laser swords at all.

so your problem is that they didn't film that story?

LoathedVermin72 wrote:If even Burt is agreeing with me, you guys should really reconsider what you're saying.

I haven't looked at the vaporwave thread lately, but I'm sure it would jeopardize our alliance if I did.

BurtReynolds wrote:

stip wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Han Solo was far more interested in finding his ship than reconnecting with Leia or saving his son. And I suspect that most fanboys had the strongest reaction to Han saying "we're home" than any of his interactions with his ex or whiny kid.

I never cared for the 'we're home' line. Even in the trailers that one never moved me.

And I don't think it's fair to say he's more interested. The ship is safe. His relationship with Leia is damaged and he thinks his son is beyond redemption (but he trusts/cares enough for Leia and his son to risk his life to try anyway).

It's fair to say if you look at Ford's performance, the script, the importance the movie gives to his ship, etc. Again, we are simply told his relationship with Leia is damaged, not shown (and when they reconnect its treated like they had a little spat and everything is patched up). Same with his son. In contrast, Han finding his ship is treated like finding the Holy Grail (because spaceships sell toys, not space princesses). Stop looking at it merely from a plot perspective.

So you wanted more flashbacks? the movie (as is the case with all star wars movies) doesn't dwell in flashbacks. We start right now, with brief bits of expository text to fill in the backstory. After being separated for years there is relief at seeing each other and a bit of wry banter to cover up the awkwardness. At no time watching that exchange did I think it was implausible or unrealistic.

If I had to choose between flashbacks or mild exposition I'm going to choose the later. And I buy as perfectly plausible and realistic the way the characters interact.

We don't have a prior scene with Han and Ren, but the way Han scolds him (I think that's the right word to use) when he calls his name on the bridge makes the relationship real.

Not as real as it would have been if their relationship was the centerpiece of the story, but it's not. It's a supporting element and gets an appropriate amount of time. More might have been nice because it was good, but you can't tell every possible angle of every possible story in 120 minutes.

BurtReynolds wrote:

Strat wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

stip wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Han Solo was far more interested in finding his ship than reconnecting with Leia or saving his son. And I suspect that most fanboys had the strongest reaction to Han saying "we're home" than any of his interactions with his ex or whiny kid.

I never cared for the 'we're home' line. Even in the trailers that one never moved me.

And I don't think it's fair to say he's more interested. The ship is safe. His relationship with Leia is damaged and he thinks his son is beyond redemption (but he trusts/cares enough for Leia and his son to risk his life to try anyway).

It's fair to say if you look at Ford's performance, the script, the importance the movie gives to his ship, etc. Again, we are simply told his relationship with Leia is damaged, not shown (and when they reconnect its treated like they had a little spat and everything is patched up). Same with his son. In contrast, Han finding his ship is treated like finding the Holy Grail (because spaceships sell toys, not space princesses). Stop looking at it merely from a plot perspective.

I didnt get the sense that everything was patched up. Im not sure we saw the same movie. They were happy to see each other but i dont think they were about to live happily ever after.

Han was like "hey" and Leia was like "oh hey, guy I slept with that one time a long time ago. How's it going, brah?" and han was "good. good." then she was like "hey remember that kid we had? Could you go get him?" and han was like "yeah sure no problem"

the first thing after the rebellion ship lands, Han is looking past all of the people piling out of it looking for Leia. I think your version covers that, though.

I wish I saw the movie that burt did.

Mecca wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Strat wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

stip wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Han Solo was far more interested in finding his ship than reconnecting with Leia or saving his son. And I suspect that most fanboys had the strongest reaction to Han saying "we're home" than any of his interactions with his ex or whiny kid.

I never cared for the 'we're home' line. Even in the trailers that one never moved me.

And I don't think it's fair to say he's more interested. The ship is safe. His relationship with Leia is damaged and he thinks his son is beyond redemption (but he trusts/cares enough for Leia and his son to risk his life to try anyway).

It's fair to say if you look at Ford's performance, the script, the importance the movie gives to his ship, etc. Again, we are simply told his relationship with Leia is damaged, not shown (and when they reconnect its treated like they had a little spat and everything is patched up). Same with his son. In contrast, Han finding his ship is treated like finding the Holy Grail (because spaceships sell toys, not space princesses). Stop looking at it merely from a plot perspective.

I didnt get the sense that everything was patched up. Im not sure we saw the same movie. They were happy to see each other but i dont think they were about to live happily ever after.

Han was like "hey" and Leia was like "oh hey, guy I slept with that one time a long time ago. How's it going, brah?" and han was "good. good." then she was like "hey remember that kid we had? Could you go get him?" and han was like "yeah sure no problem"

the first thing after the rebellion ship lands, Han is looking past all of the people piling out of it looking for Leia. I think your version covers that, though.

Resistance ship, Mecca. It's the resistance, not the rebellion.

Mecca wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:If even Burt is agreeing with me, you guys should really reconsider what you're saying.

don't lump me in with stip

never has a love of two albums cast such a long shadow.

I fucking love you guys.

is han solo ded?