Red Mosquito

BurtReynolds wrote:Looks like D.C. is the arena tonight. Maybe Salt Lake.

macphisto wrote:

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macphisto wrote:He had already fought with the police. They attempted to use a taser and it failed to subdue him.

What if ... now, what if ... they just didn't shoot him and arrested him later. Was he spraying bullets? Running away with stolen property? Kidnapping someone?

I mean, we're back to how do these things start?

Police come out to tell a guy to leave his ex-wife's house b/c he's not supposed to be there.

[5 minutes]

Police are mowing down a man in the street.

I'm not saying every situation can be de-escalated by police, but their record with black suspects is particularly shitty.

Eric Garner sold loose cigarettes, so he was choked to death.
George Floyd used a counterfiet bill, so he was choked to death.
Dajerria Bector was at a loud pool party, so she was slammed on the ground.
Breonna Davis once dated a drug dealer, so she was gunned down in her own bed.
Philandro Castile was pulled over for a routine traffic stop, so he was shot in front of his girlfriend and kid.

No. Fucking NO!

Fuck this, Jacob Blake had a knife bullshit. Maybe he did. Maybe he even tried to fight them.
The police were called to deal with trespassing and paralyzed a man with seven gunshots in front of his kids to KEEP him from leaving. Why the fuck do you think people want the cops to be replaced with social workers?

Let's try the "reimagined policing" model in a major American city. Violent crime will skyrocket and you'll have a bunch of dead social workers, but hopefully we'll finally be able to put that stupid concept to bed.

Yes, addressing non-violent criminals with something other than a gun will surely escalate into murder over and over again.

Are you really contending that Jacob Blake was a non-violent criminal?

What violence was he committing prior to the arrival of the police? Violently being somewhere he wasn't supposed to be?

You'd have to ask his ex-girlfriend, but it was apparently bad enough to result in a 911 call. He had an active warrant for sexual assault, disorderly conduct, and criminal trespassing related to a domestic incident. He was arrested in 2015 for pulling a gun out at bar. This was not a stand up dude.

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Sounds like the police could have arrested him years ago, but I suppose it wasn't a priority.

Also, we have long since discussed how few 911 calls actually need an armed officer to respond. Trespassing may or may not be on that list. How many white men get shot for trespassing?

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:
Sounds like the police could have arrested him years ago, but I suppose it wasn't a priority.

Also, we have long since discussed how few 911 calls actually need an armed officer to respond. Trespassing may or may not be on that list. How many white men get shot for trespassing?

If instead of "arrested him years ago" you had gone with "shot him years ago" this would have been POTM.

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Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:
Sounds like the police could have arrested him years ago, but I suppose it wasn't a priority.

Also, we have long since discussed how few 911 calls actually need an armed officer to respond. Trespassing may or may not be on that list. How many white men get shot for trespassing?

If instead of "arrested him years ago" you had gone with "shot him years ago" this would have been POTM.

If they'd shot him in January no one would have cared.

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macphisto wrote:

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macphisto wrote:

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macphisto wrote:

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macphisto wrote:

macphisto wrote:He had already fought with the police. They attempted to use a taser and it failed to subdue him.

What if ... now, what if ... they just didn't shoot him and arrested him later. Was he spraying bullets? Running away with stolen property? Kidnapping someone?

I mean, we're back to how do these things start?

Police come out to tell a guy to leave his ex-wife's house b/c he's not supposed to be there.

[5 minutes]

Police are mowing down a man in the street.

I'm not saying every situation can be de-escalated by police, but their record with black suspects is particularly shitty.

Eric Garner sold loose cigarettes, so he was choked to death.
George Floyd used a counterfiet bill, so he was choked to death.
Dajerria Bector was at a loud pool party, so she was slammed on the ground.
Breonna Davis once dated a drug dealer, so she was gunned down in her own bed.
Philandro Castile was pulled over for a routine traffic stop, so he was shot in front of his girlfriend and kid.

No. Fucking NO!

Fuck this, Jacob Blake had a knife bullshit. Maybe he did. Maybe he even tried to fight them.
The police were called to deal with trespassing and paralyzed a man with seven gunshots in front of his kids to KEEP him from leaving. Why the fuck do you think people want the cops to be replaced with social workers?

Let's try the "reimagined policing" model in a major American city. Violent crime will skyrocket and you'll have a bunch of dead social workers, but hopefully we'll finally be able to put that stupid concept to bed.

Yes, addressing non-violent criminals with something other than a gun will surely escalate into murder over and over again.

Are you really contending that Jacob Blake was a non-violent criminal?

What violence was he committing prior to the arrival of the police? Violently being somewhere he wasn't supposed to be?

You'd have to ask his ex-girlfriend, but it was apparently bad enough to result in a 911 call. He had an active warrant for sexual assault, disorderly conduct, and criminal trespassing related to a domestic incident. He was arrested in 2015 for pulling a gun out at bar. This was not a stand up dude.

Sounds like the police could have arrested him years ago, but I suppose it wasn't a priority.

Also, we have long since discussed how few 911 calls actually need an armed officer to respond. Trespassing may or may not be on that list. How many white men get shot for trespassing?

BurtReynolds wrote:

Higgs wrote:How about someone in authority open up a dialogue about making some real and actual change to even begin to address the issues that people are protesting about?

I am not for violence at all but in this case it seems like tit for tat. Cops keep killing people, people are burning shit down in response. The fact that white citizens with guns (read: vigilantes) are being tacitly approved of by the local authorities and allowed to walk around with guns fully ready leads me to believe that the riots and craziness is almost being encouraged at this point.

People are protesting police abuse. Additional police abuse won't help things here.

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