Red Mosquito

evenslow wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:I might be wrong, but I don't see a lot of people saying they want something "darker," and then pointing to "Yield" as an example of what they would expect that to sound like. To a degree, I think you're kind of consolidating everyone's individual quibbles with Pearl Jam's new music into one catch-all platform and then acting surprised when that platform is inconsistent with itself.

What admirers of Pearl Jam's middle period miss isn't the "darkness," I don't think; it's an attention to sonic detail and nuance, an interest in putting slightly sideways spins on the more or less, as you say, "basic song structures" that they've been peddling since the beginning, regardless of whether or not they end up positive and optimistic like "Yield" or inward and claustrophobic like "Binaural." I think what you hear as "difficult and inaccessible" is the same thing that other people hear as multi-layered and stylistically diverse, a genuine curiosity over just how far the basic format of the group can stretch without breaking, or turning into something different altogether. While I've liked the last couple records for what they are, that sense of inquisitiveness is largely gone for me. These three new songs represent the first time I've ever felt just flat-out indifferent to new Pearl Jam. There's just no creative spark to them.

For someone admittedly so smart you show an amazing lack of restraint based on 3 songs - 2 of which were heard for the first time in a live setting only two nights ago. Your pessimism (and cutups subsequent ball licking) may end up ringing true, but I've got 11 studio tracks left to hear before I get righteous about anything other than the fact that we should, you know, wait til the record comes out before making any grand pronouncements about a large batch of unheard songs let alone context.

Kevin Davis wrote:What "grand pronouncement" did I make? I actually specifically limited my comment to those three songs. I'm still more than open to being floored by the rest of the album.

Kevin Davis wrote:What "grand pronouncement" did I make? I actually specifically limited my comment to those three songs. I'm still more than open to being floored by the rest of the album.

evenslow wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:What "grand pronouncement" did I make? I actually specifically limited my comment to those three songs. I'm still more than open to being floored by the rest of the album.

What you said was clearly a lament about what you see as a lack of inquisitiveness and/or sonic nuance. What I said was you're making a ridiculous grand critique about how these songs fit into a context of the band's career when two of them were heard live for the first time two nights ago. We don't really have a sense of how they fit in bc we have yet to hear them in a studio setting. I also mentioned you may end up being right but if the Kevin Davis Fan Club requires not questioning you than, my apologies.

evenslow wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:What "grand pronouncement" did I make? I actually specifically limited my comment to those three songs. I'm still more than open to being floored by the rest of the album.

What you said was clearly a lament about what you see as a lack of inquisitiveness and/or sonic nuance. What I said was you're making a ridiculous grand critique about how these songs fit into a context of the band's career when two of them were heard live for the first time two nights ago. We don't really have a sense of how they fit in bc we have yet to hear them in a studio setting. I also mentioned you may end up being right but if the Kevin Davis Fan Club requires not questioning you than, my apologies.

malice wrote:FWIW, I'm pretty sure pete's ball-licking abilities are what gained him his high status on RM

malice wrote:FWIW, I'm pretty sure pete's ball-licking abilities are what gained him his high status on RM

Kevin Davis wrote:

evenslow wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:What "grand pronouncement" did I make? I actually specifically limited my comment to those three songs. I'm still more than open to being floored by the rest of the album.

What you said was clearly a lament about what you see as a lack of inquisitiveness and/or sonic nuance. What I said was you're making a ridiculous grand critique about how these songs fit into a context of the band's career when two of them were heard live for the first time two nights ago. We don't really have a sense of how they fit in bc we have yet to hear them in a studio setting. I also mentioned you may end up being right but if the Kevin Davis Fan Club requires not questioning you than, my apologies.

What is your problem?

I didn't make a "ridiculous grand critique" of them, or say anything about "how they fit into the context of the band's career." I just said I had an indifferent reaction to them, and that to me, they didn't sound particularly creatively engaged, which is something I miss about their records I like best. How is that in any way unreasonable? Do you really have to hear the entire album in a studio format before you can assess individual songs or performances on their own merits?

Did I do something to personally offend you? I really have no idea where this completely disproportionate combativeness is coming from.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

malice wrote:FWIW, I'm pretty sure pete's ball-licking abilities are what gained him his high status on RM

Hey, girl.

LetMeSleep wrote:

malice wrote:FWIW, I'm pretty sure pete's ball-licking abilities are what gained him his high status on RM

Wait, high status doesn't equal well regarded, right?

malice wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

malice wrote:FWIW, I'm pretty sure pete's ball-licking abilities are what gained him his high status on RM

Hey, girl.

i was just sitting here pondering the last couple pages and I think evenslow is bothered by a a mistaken perception of what Kevin Davis wrote. maybe he just wants to be happily expectant for new songs and is frustrated that the level of enthusiasm here is a bit lacking?

being famous for my own bad interpretations of posts on the interents ...well, I'm guessing that kind of where he's coming from.
plus, I was only kidding, you are horrid at ball-licking

evenslow wrote:Before Pearl Jam releases No Code we hear Who You Are as the single and then get I'm open and Mankind in concert.

Of course I'm not comparing Lightning Bolt to No Code but the drift is to, ya know, wait things out. And as you know this amazing exercise can be applied to any album.

evenslow wrote: Is arguing with your point or finding what you have to say ridiculous not allowed?

cutuphalfdead wrote:

malice wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

malice wrote:FWIW, I'm pretty sure pete's ball-licking abilities are what gained him his high status on RM

Hey, girl.

i was just sitting here pondering the last couple pages and I think evenslow is bothered by a a mistaken perception of what Kevin Davis wrote. maybe he just wants to be happily expectant for new songs and is frustrated that the level of enthusiasm here is a bit lacking?

being famous for my own bad interpretations of posts on the interents ...well, I'm guessing that kind of where he's coming from.
plus, I was only kidding, you are horrid at ball-licking

You seemed to enjoy it in the Buick.