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Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Fri April 21, 2023 4:32 pm
by tree_
BurtReynolds wrote:
*clutches pearls*

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Fri April 21, 2023 4:33 pm
by JuanHamm
Pfft, why should I take that guy seriously when he doesn't even have a blue checkmark?

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Fri April 21, 2023 4:34 pm
by BurtReynolds
tree_ wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
*clutches pearls*
I hope you're being ironic.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Fri April 21, 2023 4:35 pm
by VinylGuy
JuanHamm wrote:
tree_ wrote:LuNY, there's a civil way to argue your perspective. You're making yourself out to be just as extreme as your perceived opposition. Just try to be reasonable and treat those with which you disagree with some respect and good faith.
He obviously just came here for some attention and an argument.
i also think he kinda knew what was coming, but damn sometimes the responses here are so angry and violent it doesnt really helps with engaging with a conversation.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Fri April 21, 2023 4:44 pm
by McParadigm
VinylGuy wrote:
JuanHamm wrote:
tree_ wrote:LuNY, there's a civil way to argue your perspective. You're making yourself out to be just as extreme as your perceived opposition. Just try to be reasonable and treat those with which you disagree with some respect and good faith.
He obviously just came here for some attention and an argument.
i also think he kinda knew what was coming, but damn sometimes the responses here are so angry and violent it doesnt really helps with engaging with a conversation.
Do you feel that the issue is the anger and intractability of the responses to the person who popped in here to announce that they are done with the band because Mike McCready put up a tweet? Or is it the other way around?

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Fri April 21, 2023 4:48 pm
by VinylGuy
i think its important, at least for one side, if we are talking about sides, to engage in a more polite way while also saying what their ideas or experiences are.

If not this is just grown people calling asshole or idiot to another while expecting to "win" a conversation.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Fri April 21, 2023 4:48 pm
by tree_
Yes. It was an opportunity to talk sense and reason, instead it became more fuel for his opinions.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Fri April 21, 2023 4:51 pm
by McParadigm
VinylGuy wrote:i think its important, at least for one side, if we are talking about sides, to engage in a more polite way while also saying what their ideas or experiences are.

If not this is just grown people calling asshole or idiot to another while expecting to "win" a conversation.
Yes, see the reason I asked is because it seems to me like the first response was trying to present an alternate worldview to him, and the response was yet more antagonistic aggression towards the existence of a people.
LuNY wrote:
knee tunes wrote:If you approach the subject with some compassion and a desire to truly understand (and perhaps even unbiasedly research) the human suffering behind a person who cannot stand being in their own skin and the elation they experience when they are released from it, and that hopefully kids who experience this suffering will have loving and understanding parents that care more about them than what the world cares about , then maybe you won't be so quick to judge is all.

Way too young to make that decision. I think that suffering may be mental illness in most cases, and also the push into pop culture which causes a warped sense of reality for very young people. Have you read about how many of these kids have autism that demand sex changes? How many fucking wacked out parents who are trans pushing it on their kids? Way too young, I have compassion for their future self regretting it, which has also been documented. I have no bias, I just feel how I feel which is how MOST PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT IT but are too afraid to speak up because of this far left bizzaro movement taking place, leave them kids alone.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Fri April 21, 2023 4:57 pm
by tree_
The points he made are valid for debate. Instead of arguing the points, it became emotionally charged and attacks were ad hominem, which is a waste of time.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Fri April 21, 2023 5:02 pm
by JuanHamm
This is all a waste of time. None of this is accomplishing anything.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Fri April 21, 2023 5:03 pm
by tree_
JuanHamm wrote:This is all a waste of time. None of this is accomplishing anything.
We can use facts to learn something. That could help some of us.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Fri April 21, 2023 5:15 pm
by BurtReynolds
JuanHamm wrote:This is all a waste of time. None of this is accomplishing anything.
We can't talk about poop 24/7

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Fri April 21, 2023 5:21 pm
by Bi_3
BurtReynolds wrote:
JuanHamm wrote:This is all a waste of time. None of this is accomplishing anything.
We can't talk about poop 24/7

Ironic this kicked up from a Mike tweet

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Fri April 21, 2023 5:24 pm
by tree_
Man, this is like if I started hating Bjork after she attacked that journalist. We all have lapses in judgement from time to time. The art is still the same. It's not a cult, it's music.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Fri April 21, 2023 5:29 pm
by VinylGuy
Bi_3 wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
JuanHamm wrote:This is all a waste of time. None of this is accomplishing anything.
We can't talk about poop 24/7

Ironic this kicked up from a Mike tweet
lets debate the ep he owe us!! fuck you Mike! where is the ep?

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Fri April 21, 2023 10:04 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Man reading those replies to his tweet, i didn’t realize how many PJ fans would be anti-trans. Yikes

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Fri April 21, 2023 10:13 pm
by VinylGuy
E.H. Ruddock wrote:Man reading those replies to his tweet, i didn’t realize how many PJ fans would be anti-trans. Yikes
yeah, thats weird right? But i remember someone telling Morello not to do politics while he was playing music or something like that so i guess a lot of people really dont pay any kind of attention

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Fri April 21, 2023 10:46 pm
by Ello Sailor
It's those damn aging frat bros, I'm tellin' ya. Dumb as rocks.

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Fri April 21, 2023 10:59 pm
by 96583UP
the last bastion of evenflow fans rears their heads

Re: Transgender Rights

Posted: Sat April 22, 2023 3:05 am
by Ms Harmless
VinylGuy wrote:i think its important, at least for one side, if we are talking about sides, to engage in a more polite way while also saying what their ideas or experiences are.

If not this is just grown people calling asshole or idiot to another while expecting to "win" a conversation.
you don't get to dictate the "politeness" of trans people, or deny our anger