Red Mosquito

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Bammer wrote:That guy Elie Mystal seems like a person who wants everyone to shelter in place from now until the end of time and it’s honestly kind of a dick move that he uses a profile picture of himself outside. Stay home my man, stay home.

That's an old post, but yeah, at the point he made that post, any school-aged kid had access to the vaccine. Pretty hard to justify keeping schools closed that late in the game.

Maybe because he's Black, and COVID killed a lot more Black people.

I don't know. Vaccine mandates would have gone a long way toward opening schools.

By the time the vaccine was approved for school-aged minors we knew there was basically no risk. Total deaths in the 5-18 range since the start of the pandemic in Dec.2020 are less than 1,000 (out of 54 million kids).

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Bammer wrote:That guy Elie Mystal seems like a person who wants everyone to shelter in place from now until the end of time and it’s honestly kind of a dick move that he uses a profile picture of himself outside. Stay home my man, stay home.

That's an old post, but yeah, at the point he made that post, any school-aged kid had access to the vaccine. Pretty hard to justify keeping schools closed that late in the game.

Maybe because he's Black, and COVID killed a lot more Black people.

I don't know. Vaccine mandates would have gone a long way toward opening schools.

By the time the vaccine was approved for school-aged minors we knew there was basically no risk. Total deaths in the 5-18 range since the start of the pandemic in Dec.2020 are less than 1,000 (out of 54 million kids).

Would my asthmatic kids be one of the 1000? Will they be in the hospital? Will they have long COVID? Brain damage? Long term lung damage?

School closures we're inexcusable because they made kids sad, but we're talking about morbidity and mortality.

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Bammer wrote:That guy Elie Mystal seems like a person who wants everyone to shelter in place from now until the end of time and it’s honestly kind of a dick move that he uses a profile picture of himself outside. Stay home my man, stay home.

That's an old post, but yeah, at the point he made that post, any school-aged kid had access to the vaccine. Pretty hard to justify keeping schools closed that late in the game.

Maybe because he's Black, and COVID killed a lot more Black people.

I don't know. Vaccine mandates would have gone a long way toward opening schools.

By the time the vaccine was approved for school-aged minors we knew there was basically no risk. Total deaths in the 5-18 range since the start of the pandemic in Dec.2020 are less than 1,000 (out of 54 million kids).

Would my asthmatic kids be one of the 1000? Will they be in the hospital? Will they have long COVID? Brain damage? Long term lung damage?

School closures we're inexcusable because they made kids sad, but we're talking about morbidity and mortality.

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Bammer wrote:That guy Elie Mystal seems like a person who wants everyone to shelter in place from now until the end of time and it’s honestly kind of a dick move that he uses a profile picture of himself outside. Stay home my man, stay home.

That's an old post, but yeah, at the point he made that post, any school-aged kid had access to the vaccine. Pretty hard to justify keeping schools closed that late in the game.

Maybe because he's Black, and COVID killed a lot more Black people.

I don't know. Vaccine mandates would have gone a long way toward opening schools.

By the time the vaccine was approved for school-aged minors we knew there was basically no risk. Total deaths in the 5-18 range since the start of the pandemic in Dec.2020 are less than 1,000 (out of 54 million kids).

Would my asthmatic kids be one of the 1000? Will they be in the hospital? Will they have long COVID? Brain damage? Long term lung damage?

School closures we're inexcusable because they made kids sad, but we're talking about morbidity and mortality.

Asthma, looks like no: https://www.aaaai.org/Tools-for-the-Pub ... id-prevent

No reason to mock child suicide.

Bi_3 wrote:

warehouse wrote:how do you know the long term effects on kids after such short amount of time? does the article take into consideration school shooting's effects on kids mental health? that whole tweet is weird

It’s multivariate, the effects of school closures were like the straw that broke the camel’s back:

But it’s impossible to argue that we did not put the lives of adults ahead of the lives of children. Maybe that lowered COVID deaths. Maybe. But it came at a huge cost to the most vulnerable in society.

Bammer wrote:

spike wrote:

Bammer wrote:

spike wrote:

Bammer wrote:

spike wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

Bigger economic class issues laid bare by Covid.

No one’s going to be made accountable for trying to save lives.

This sounds like a solid plan. No accountability as long as you do _________ in the name of __________.

Would you be looking for accountability for the millions more dead if we’d done things differently?

Jesus christ man you are such a fucking loser

It’s a valid question, but dodge away.

Sorry about the loser comment.

To answer your question; No.

Bi_3 wrote:

Peeps wrote:

warehouse wrote:not to be mean, this opinion is probably more of a result of being old, but considering the pandemic in historical context, what did those numbers look like during Vietnam? the great depression? i don't want to be the heartless old white guy saying "toughen up"....but at the same time i kinda do lol.

i know this is the view of a middle aged, middle class straight white male. i never had to worry about anyone bringing guns to school the way kids do now. or soul-draining social media addiction.

cant you at least commiserate with the youth of philidelphia over the shared experience of never seeing the Flyers win a cup?

Chris_H_2 wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

do the no. 1 cause of death now

Bi_3 wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

do the no. 1 cause of death now

If you are hinting homicide by firearms, I'm not sure how you separate the rise there from the same effects our pandemic reactions had on suicide.


For the record, I don't think we did the wrong thing for the first 9-12 months or so. The problems came after the delta surge (fall 2021) when it was clear that the vaccines offered little to no meaningful protection against infection from the circulating variant and the people who had earned social and financial rewards from promoting strict covid policies pounced, trying to regain their glory days despite the fact that based on what we had learned over the course of the pandemic what they were promoting sounded more like fearmongering and authoritarianism than informed precautions.

spike wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

do the no. 1 cause of death now

If you are hinting homicide by firearms, I'm not sure how you separate the rise there from the same effects our pandemic reactions had on suicide.


For the record, I don't think we did the wrong thing for the first 9-12 months or so. The problems came after the delta surge (fall 2021) when it was clear that the vaccines offered little to no meaningful protection against infection from the circulating variant and the people who had earned social and financial rewards from promoting strict covid policies pounced, trying to regain their glory days despite the fact that based on what we had learned over the course of the pandemic what they were promoting sounded more like fearmongering and authoritarianism than informed precautions.

Schools were wide open by fall ‘21.

Bammer wrote:I had to google AWFLs and I guess my wife is one, for the most part, but I’m turning her little by little.

Bammer wrote:

spike wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

do the no. 1 cause of death now

If you are hinting homicide by firearms, I'm not sure how you separate the rise there from the same effects our pandemic reactions had on suicide.


For the record, I don't think we did the wrong thing for the first 9-12 months or so. The problems came after the delta surge (fall 2021) when it was clear that the vaccines offered little to no meaningful protection against infection from the circulating variant and the people who had earned social and financial rewards from promoting strict covid policies pounced, trying to regain their glory days despite the fact that based on what we had learned over the course of the pandemic what they were promoting sounded more like fearmongering and authoritarianism than informed precautions.

Schools were wide open by fall ‘21.

“Wide open” isn’t entirely accurate because masks.

simple schoolboy wrote:

I don't expect many decent quality studies to come out about long COVID, but anything that pisses off malingering AWFLs is fine.

But Long Covid was never exactly as cut and dried as some quarters made it out to be. If advocates have seen the past few years as an overdue reckoning for medicine’s eternal indifference toward women and the diseases that disproportionately befall them, others have seen it as something else: a dramatic illustration of suffering driven by psychosocial distress, and how poorly medicine is equipped to handle it.

The latter case goes something like this: A chronic illness that appeared to be triggered by viral infection could just as easily have been triggered by the trauma of the pandemic itself. That long Covid, ME/CFS, and related diagnoses disproportionately target women perhaps stems from the fact that, in a patriarchal world, women face more adversity and have less control over their lives.

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Does that mean that long Covid is “all in their head”? In one way, no—of course it doesn’t. The symptoms are real, and patients’ testimony about them is sacrosanct. They are not confused, faking, or unreliable. They’re sick. But in another way, the head encases the only organ capable of experiencing any illness at all—and whose function is irrevocably affected by love, poverty, angst, violence, terror, geography, housing, monotony, hopelessness, and so on and so on. There’s no feeling or interpreting anything outside of your brain. So yes, perhaps long Covid is all in your head. Just like everything else.

For all their disagreements, proponents of the biomedical and biopsychosocial models of long Covid share considerable common ground. The Covid-19 pandemic has driven widespread debility, whether a result of distress or the virus itself, compounded in either case by political abandonment and public health failures. Both camps emphasize that patients are really suffering, and that it isn’t their fault. Where they diverge is on questions of treatment.

Bi_3 wrote:This sounds an AWFL lot like another thing that has been disproportionately effecting young women in recent years.

simple schoolboy wrote:

I don't expect many decent quality studies to come out about long COVID, but anything that pisses off malingering AWFLs is fine.

JuanHamm wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

I don't expect many decent quality studies to come out about long COVID, but anything that pisses off malingering AWFLs is fine.

"This is good because it pisses off people I don't like" is a very Karen state of mind.

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:This sounds an AWFL lot like another thing that has been disproportionately effecting young women in recent years.

Excessive mansplaining?