Anybody want a Corona?

[B]

I gave up on that fight in 1996.

[Bi_3]

I gave up on that fight in 1996.

After recognizing the pharma industry had jacked hospitals and GPs, rather than ironing it out you declared a no code?

[B]

I gave up on that fight in 1996.

After recognizing the pharma industry had jacked hospitals and GPs, rather than ironing it out you declared a no code?

[Bi_3]

Not a fan of this clickbait title, but this sums up where we are.


https://www.newsweek.com/how-fauci-fool ... on-1643839

How Fauci Fooled America | Opinion
Martin Kulldorff and Jay Bhattacharya
On 11/1/21 at 9:30 AM EDT


When the pandemic hit, America needed someone to turn to for advice. The media and public naturally looked to Dr. Anthony Fauci—the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, an esteemed laboratory immunologist and one of President Donald Trump's chosen COVID advisers. Unfortunately, Dr. Fauci got major epidemiology and public health questions wrong. Reality and scientific studies have now caught up with him.

Here are the key issues:

Natural immunity. By pushing vaccine mandates, Dr. Fauci ignores naturally acquired immunity among the COVID-recovered, of which there are more than 45 million in the United States. Mounting evidence indicates that natural immunity is stronger and longer lasting than vaccine-induced immunity. [Eds.: Long-term trends are still unclear. A recent study reached the opposite conclusion, but was criticized by an author of this op-ed.] In a study from Israel, the vaccinated were 27 times more likely to get symptomatic COVID than the unvaccinated who had recovered from a prior infection.

We have known about natural immunity from disease at least since the Athenian Plague in 430 BC. Pilots, truckers and longshoremen know about it, and nurses know it better than anyone. Under Fauci's mandates, hospitals are firing heroic nurses who recovered from COVID they contracted while caring for patients. With their superior immunity, they can safely care for the oldest and frailest patients with even lower transmission risk than the vaccinated.

Protecting the elderly. While anyone can get infected, there is more than a thousand-fold difference in mortality risk between the old and the young. After more than 700,000 reported COVID deaths in America, we now know that lockdowns failed to protect high-risk older people. When confronted with the idea of focused protection of the vulnerable, Dr. Fauci admitted he had no idea how to accomplish it, arguing that it would be impossible. That may be understandable for a lab scientist, but public health scientists have presented many concrete suggestions that would have helped, had Fauci and other officials not ignored them.

What can we do now to minimize COVID mortality? Current vaccination efforts should focus on reaching people over 60 who are neither COVID-recovered nor vaccinated, including hard-to-reach, less-affluent people in rural areas and inner cities. Instead, Dr. Fauci has pushed vaccine mandates for children, students and working-age adults who are already immune—all low-risk populations—causing tremendous disruption to labor markets and hampering the operation of many hospitals.

School closures. Schools are major transmission points for influenza, but not for COVID. While children do get infected, their risk for COVID death is minuscule, lower than their already low risk of dying from the flu. Throughout the 2020 spring wave, Sweden kept daycare and schools open for all its 1.8 million children ages 1 to 15, with no masks, testing or social distancing. The result? Zero COVID deaths among children and a COVID risk to teachers lower than the average of other professions. In fall 2020, most European countries followed suit, with similar results. Considering the devastating effects of school closures on children, Dr. Fauci's advocacy for school closures may be the single biggest mistake of his career.

Masks. The gold standard of medical research is randomized trials, and there have now been two on COVID masks for adults. For children, there is no solid scientific evidence that masks work. A Danish study found no statistically significant difference between masking and not masking when it came to coronavirus infection. [Eds. A recent study showed that masks do reduce infections.] In a study in Bangladesh, the 95 percent confidence interval showed that masks reduced transmission between 0 percent and 18 percent. Hence, masks are either of zero or limited benefit. There are many more critical pandemic measures that Dr. Fauci could have emphasized, such as better ventilation in schools and hiring nursing home staff with natural immunity.

Contact tracing. For some infectious diseases, such as Ebola and syphilis, contact tracing is critically important. For a commonly circulating viral infection such as COVID, it was a hopeless waste of valuable public health resources that did not stop the disease.

Collateral public health damage. A fundamental public health principle is that health is multidimensional; the control of a single infectious disease is not synonymous with health. As an immunologist, Dr. Fauci failed to properly consider and weigh the disastrous effects lockdowns would have on cancer detection and treatment, cardiovascular disease outcomes, diabetes care, childhood vaccination rates, mental health and opioid overdoses, to name a few. Americans will live with—and die from—this collateral damage for many years to come.

In private conversations, most of our scientific colleagues agree with us on these points. While a few have spoken up, why are not more doing so? Well, some tried but failed. Others kept silent when they saw colleagues slandered and smeared in the media or censored by Big Tech. Some are government employees who are barred from contradicting official policy. Many are afraid of losing positions or research grants, aware that Dr. Fauci sits on top of the largest pile of infectious disease research money in the world. Most scientists are not experts on infectious disease outbreaks. Were we, say, oncologists, physicists or botanists, we would probably also have trusted Dr. Fauci.

The evidence is in. Governors, journalists, scientists, university presidents, hospital administrators and business leaders can continue to follow Dr. Anthony Fauci or open their eyes. After 700,000-plus COVID deaths and the devastating effects of lockdowns, it is time to return to basic principles of public health.

Martin Kulldorff, Ph.D., is an epidemiologist, biostatistician, and Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School. Jay Bhattacharya, MD, Ph.D., is a Professor of Health Policy at Stanford University School of Medicine. Both are Senior Scholars at the newly formed Brownstone Institute.

[Bammer]

I had to google AWFLs and I guess my wife is one, for the most part, but I’m turning her little by little.

Textbook AWTM behavior.

What’s the T for?

[spike]

Not a fan of this clickbait title, but this sums up where we are.


https://www.newsweek.com/how-fauci-fool ... on-1643839

How Fauci Fooled America | Opinion
Martin Kulldorff and Jay Bhattacharya
On 11/1/21 at 9:30 AM EDT


When the pandemic hit, America needed someone to turn to for advice. The media and public naturally looked to Dr. Anthony Fauci—the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, an esteemed laboratory immunologist and one of President Donald Trump's chosen COVID advisers. Unfortunately, Dr. Fauci got major epidemiology and public health questions wrong. Reality and scientific studies have now caught up with him.

Here are the key issues:

Natural immunity. By pushing vaccine mandates, Dr. Fauci ignores naturally acquired immunity among the COVID-recovered, of which there are more than 45 million in the United States. Mounting evidence indicates that natural immunity is stronger and longer lasting than vaccine-induced immunity. [Eds.: Long-term trends are still unclear. A recent study reached the opposite conclusion, but was criticized by an author of this op-ed.] In a study from Israel, the vaccinated were 27 times more likely to get symptomatic COVID than the unvaccinated who had recovered from a prior infection.

We have known about natural immunity from disease at least since the Athenian Plague in 430 BC. Pilots, truckers and longshoremen know about it, and nurses know it better than anyone. Under Fauci's mandates, hospitals are firing heroic nurses who recovered from COVID they contracted while caring for patients. With their superior immunity, they can safely care for the oldest and frailest patients with even lower transmission risk than the vaccinated.

Protecting the elderly. While anyone can get infected, there is more than a thousand-fold difference in mortality risk between the old and the young. After more than 700,000 reported COVID deaths in America, we now know that lockdowns failed to protect high-risk older people. When confronted with the idea of focused protection of the vulnerable, Dr. Fauci admitted he had no idea how to accomplish it, arguing that it would be impossible. That may be understandable for a lab scientist, but public health scientists have presented many concrete suggestions that would have helped, had Fauci and other officials not ignored them.

What can we do now to minimize COVID mortality? Current vaccination efforts should focus on reaching people over 60 who are neither COVID-recovered nor vaccinated, including hard-to-reach, less-affluent people in rural areas and inner cities. Instead, Dr. Fauci has pushed vaccine mandates for children, students and working-age adults who are already immune—all low-risk populations—causing tremendous disruption to labor markets and hampering the operation of many hospitals.

School closures. Schools are major transmission points for influenza, but not for COVID. While children do get infected, their risk for COVID death is minuscule, lower than their already low risk of dying from the flu. Throughout the 2020 spring wave, Sweden kept daycare and schools open for all its 1.8 million children ages 1 to 15, with no masks, testing or social distancing. The result? Zero COVID deaths among children and a COVID risk to teachers lower than the average of other professions. In fall 2020, most European countries followed suit, with similar results. Considering the devastating effects of school closures on children, Dr. Fauci's advocacy for school closures may be the single biggest mistake of his career.

Masks. The gold standard of medical research is randomized trials, and there have now been two on COVID masks for adults. For children, there is no solid scientific evidence that masks work. A Danish study found no statistically significant difference between masking and not masking when it came to coronavirus infection. [Eds. A recent study showed that masks do reduce infections.] In a study in Bangladesh, the 95 percent confidence interval showed that masks reduced transmission between 0 percent and 18 percent. Hence, masks are either of zero or limited benefit. There are many more critical pandemic measures that Dr. Fauci could have emphasized, such as better ventilation in schools and hiring nursing home staff with natural immunity.

Contact tracing. For some infectious diseases, such as Ebola and syphilis, contact tracing is critically important. For a commonly circulating viral infection such as COVID, it was a hopeless waste of valuable public health resources that did not stop the disease.

Collateral public health damage. A fundamental public health principle is that health is multidimensional; the control of a single infectious disease is not synonymous with health. As an immunologist, Dr. Fauci failed to properly consider and weigh the disastrous effects lockdowns would have on cancer detection and treatment, cardiovascular disease outcomes, diabetes care, childhood vaccination rates, mental health and opioid overdoses, to name a few. Americans will live with—and die from—this collateral damage for many years to come.

In private conversations, most of our scientific colleagues agree with us on these points. While a few have spoken up, why are not more doing so? Well, some tried but failed. Others kept silent when they saw colleagues slandered and smeared in the media or censored by Big Tech. Some are government employees who are barred from contradicting official policy. Many are afraid of losing positions or research grants, aware that Dr. Fauci sits on top of the largest pile of infectious disease research money in the world. Most scientists are not experts on infectious disease outbreaks. Were we, say, oncologists, physicists or botanists, we would probably also have trusted Dr. Fauci.

The evidence is in. Governors, journalists, scientists, university presidents, hospital administrators and business leaders can continue to follow Dr. Anthony Fauci or open their eyes. After 700,000-plus COVID deaths and the devastating effects of lockdowns, it is time to return to basic principles of public health.

Martin Kulldorff, Ph.D., is an epidemiologist, biostatistician, and Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School. Jay Bhattacharya, MD, Ph.D., is a Professor of Health Policy at Stanford University School of Medicine. Both are Senior Scholars at the newly formed Brownstone Institute.

[4/5]

If you honestly think that's why anybody is "furious" at Fauci...

[Bi_3]

I actually appreciate that tweet as it's a tacit admission that we got a lot wrong and acknowledging the problem is step one.


I've seen some commentators suggest a 9/11 Commission style report for COVID and I think that makes a lot of sense. Get it all investigated and documented while it's still fresh in our memories and we still have a chance at getting intact records from various pieces of the USG. Much better use of Congress' time & money than more meetings on Insurrections/Hunter's Laptop/RussiaGate/etc.

[spike]

If you honestly think that's why anybody is "furious" at Fauci...

great post

[B]

I've seen some commentators suggest a 9/11 Commission style report for COVID and I think that makes a lot of sense. Get it all investigated and documented while it's still fresh in our memories and we still have a chance at getting intact records from various pieces of the USG. Much better use of Congress' time & money than more meetings on Insurrections/Hunter's Laptop/RussiaGate/etc.

I'll take this opportunity to say that you've made a reasonable suggestion here.

[B]

In the meantime, I have hot takes.

Natural immunity. - This assumes no risk of natural immunity. Over a million Americans died trying to get natural immunity. Four died getting vaccine immunity. I could go the hospital and kill my grandmother to get natural immunity, or I could get a vaccine and not.

Protecting the elderly. This assumes that the CDC stopped vaccinating the elderly. Efforts continue TODAY to vaccinate the elderly.

School closures. I'm glad Sweden had such outcomes for their students and teachers. Since Sweden's COVID rates were so low, it's unclear that would translate elsewhere.

Masks. The cited studies are not studies of the effectiveness of masks. They are studies on the effectiveness of promoting masks. They're right that we could have focused more on school ventilation, but the cost of masks was damned near nothing.

Contact tracing. This is fair. This didn't work for one god damned day.

Collateral public health damage. Every disease listed makes COVID worse. Stopping COVID improves outcomes for all of the individuals with those diseases. There's no evidence that these issues went unaddressed.

In private conversations, most of our scientific colleagues agree with us on these points. They have no evidence, but "scientists" totally agree with them.

[Bi_3]

In the meantime, I have hot takes.

Natural immunity. - This assumes no risk of natural immunity. Over a million Americans died trying to get natural immunity. Four died getting vaccine immunity. I could go the hospital and kill my grandmother to get natural immunity, or I could get a vaccine and not.

Protecting the elderly. This assumes that the CDC stopped vaccinating the elderly. Efforts continue TODAY to vaccinate the elderly.

School closures. I'm glad Sweden had such outcomes for their students and teachers. Since Sweden's COVID rates were so low, it's unclear that would translate elsewhere.

Masks. The cited studies are not studies of the effectiveness of masks. They are studies on the effectiveness of promoting masks. They're right that we could have focused more on school ventilation, but the cost of masks was damned near nothing.

Contact tracing. This is fair. This didn't work for one god damned day.

Collateral public health damage. Every disease listed makes COVID worse. Stopping COVID improves outcomes for all of the individuals with those diseases. There's no evidence that these issues went unaddressed.

In private conversations, most of our scientific colleagues agree with us on these points. They have no evidence, but "scientists" totally agree with them.

I don't think those numbers on natural immunity are correct

[B]

You don't think a million Americans died of COVID?

[Bi_3]

You don't think a million Americans died of COVID?

I dont think a million died tried to get natural immunity. Plus that was never intended for the 65+ crowd who represent >80% of deaths.

[B]

Well, you caught me on my sarcastic wording.

[Bammer]

B admits the absolute stupidity of contact tracing. We are making progress here.

[B]

B admits the absolute stupidity of contact tracing. We are making progress here.

I don't think contact tracing is stupid. It's the reason your kids didn't die of measles.

With COVID, it's unclear that it was going to be useful, mostly because it was never done. If 0.1% of COVID contacts were informed that they were exposed by anyone, I'd be shocked.

[Bi_3]

B admits the absolute stupidity of contact tracing. We are making progress here.

I don't think contact tracing is stupid. It's the reason your kids didn't die of measles.

With COVID, it's unclear that it was going to be useful, mostly because it was never done. If 0.1% of COVID contacts were informed that they were exposed by anyone, I'd be shocked.

We don't have either the technical infrastructure or authoritarian legal system that would enable this for respiratory viruses. China does though through their social credit system.

[Bammer]

B admits the absolute stupidity of contact tracing. We are making progress here.

I don't think contact tracing is stupid. It's the reason your kids didn't die of measles.

With COVID, it's unclear that it was going to be useful, mostly because it was never done. If 0.1% of COVID contacts were informed that they were exposed by anyone, I'd be shocked.

Just take the compliment and move on.

[Peeps]

i know here at work if someone had covid they asked all who you were around for 15 minutes or more at one sitting. they would then email each of those people and youd be asked not to come into the office for 5 days and to take the tests. if after 5 days you tested negative you were allowed back into the office

i think i was tagged twice so far with being in close contact