Red Mosquito

oneway23 wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:
And yeah, the guy had an amazing run in the 90s and was so important to many other bands...STP, for example.

I'm not invalidating your Cornell comments in this post by not including them, I'm just personally not cool travelling down that road right now, as I'm not studied up on enough of the aspects of the case to be capable of making educated comments.

As for B'oB, a ton of "ink" has been spent on this site about him over the years, in every conceivable thread, so I feel no guilt carrying on about him in this one:

He has been a part of some great records, and definitely deserves credit where credit is due, though it could be argued in STPs case that he was more of a recording engineer than producer, since the Deleo brothers have been insanely capable of shaping their own sound and working the boards going back to to Purple.

In the case of Rage Against the Machine, he produced, alongside the band, some of the earliest examples of what is now known as the "loudness wars", squashing dynamic range and instrumental separation to within an inch of it's life. Interesting to note that he had nothing whatsoever to do with their debut, which is inarguably their greatest-sounding record.

At this point, I'm admittedly picking nits. I adore the sound of everything he's done with Pearl Jam up through Yield, so, I do want to be fair here. He has done some phenomenal work and has carved out an enviable career. I take issue more with his processes and approach more than anything else.

Leatherhead wrote:I'd be fine with the album cover and "Gigaton" in red, on a black shirt. Or really any of the pictures from the liner notes.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:This is really growing on me. At this point I think the only songs I don’t like are Superblood, Retrograde, and River. Really nice work here. I’m shocked the band made this.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:This is really growing on me. At this point I think the only songs I don’t like are Superblood, Retrograde, and River. Really nice work here. I’m shocked the band made this.

My (very very) limited understanding of it is: there are a bunch of half-finished Soundgarden demos with Chris Cornell vocals on them. The guys want to put them together as a final SG album. Vicky Cornell will only allow this to happen if they use Brendan O'Brien as a producer, which the rest of the band doesn't want to do for some reason.

McParadigm wrote:

My (very very) limited understanding of it is: there are a bunch of half-finished Soundgarden demos with Chris Cornell vocals on them. The guys want to put them together as a final SG album. Vicky Cornell will only allow this to happen if they use Brendan O'Brien as a producer, which the rest of the band doesn't want to do for some reason.

All this really does for me is beg the question: what reasons would SG have for opposing a producer of BoB’s history and standing so intensely that they would rather just not do it at all?

McParadigm wrote:

My (very very) limited understanding of it is: there are a bunch of half-finished Soundgarden demos with Chris Cornell vocals on them. The guys want to put them together as a final SG album. Vicky Cornell will only allow this to happen if they use Brendan O'Brien as a producer, which the rest of the band doesn't want to do for some reason.

All this really does for me is beg the question: what reasons would SG have for opposing a producer of BoB’s history and standing so intensely that they would rather just not do it at all?

McParadigm wrote:

My (very very) limited understanding of it is: there are a bunch of half-finished Soundgarden demos with Chris Cornell vocals on them. The guys want to put them together as a final SG album. Vicky Cornell will only allow this to happen if they use Brendan O'Brien as a producer, which the rest of the band doesn't want to do for some reason.

All this really does for me is beg the question: what reasons would SG have for opposing a producer of BoB’s history and standing so intensely that they would rather just not do it at all?

bodysnatcher wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:This is really growing on me. At this point I think the only songs I don’t like are Superblood, Retrograde, and River. Really nice work here. I’m shocked the band made this.

those are my bottom 3 songs too if i were to rank. I enjoy SBWM but it pales to the rest of the songs. I like River Cross enough, but it's mostly Jeff and Matt that I like here. The song is a bit of a slog to get through if you aren't in the perfect mood for it. but if you're needing it, it will hit you in the sweet spot. bottom three ranking would probably go:

Superblood
River Cross
Retrograde

VinylGuy wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

My (very very) limited understanding of it is: there are a bunch of half-finished Soundgarden demos with Chris Cornell vocals on them. The guys want to put them together as a final SG album. Vicky Cornell will only allow this to happen if they use Brendan O'Brien as a producer, which the rest of the band doesn't want to do for some reason.

All this really does for me is beg the question: what reasons would SG have for opposing a producer of BoB’s history and standing so intensely that they would rather just not do it at all?

I think they wanted to work with Kasper and not have Vicky to tell them how to work or what to do to promote the album.

Strat wrote:I like River Cross. Its not as intimate as i was hoping for but i get the hymn like approach to it. I love how ragged ed sounds. He wears his miles well here and it suits the call of "wont hold us down"

Also enjoy how you can hear the pedal pump of the organ throughout.

Strat wrote:I like River Cross. Its not as intimate as i was hoping for but i get the hymn like approach to it. I love how ragged ed sounds. He wears his miles well here and it suits the call of "wont hold us down"

Also enjoy how you can hear the pedal pump of the organ throughout.

PHATJ wrote:I legitimately like every song on this album.

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oneway23 wrote:

Waverider wrote:There's some controversy going on. You can read about stuff. BO'B has loyalties elsewhere and it's in the band's best interest to distance itself from him, especially Matt.This is why I think their relationship stopped.

Saucy! Pray-tell....Anything to do with an ongoing lawsuit between a band & a widow?

It's just my theory from the snippets i've read. Timelines make sense. It's been stated that one of the parties wanted BO'B specifically as producer of the next SG album, a view that wasn't shared by 3 other members. Again, it's out there. It may come down to conflict of interest.

maybe i'm an idiot but i don't understand what you're talking about. can you spell it out for me?

Isn't there a legal case happening currently that relates to this?

My (very very) limited understanding of it is: there are a bunch of half-finished Soundgarden demos with Chris Cornell vocals on them. The guys want to put them together as a final SG album. Vicky Cornell will only allow this to happen if they use Brendan O'Brien as a producer, which the rest of the band doesn't want to do for some reason. The theory is that this somehow affected Pearl Jam's relationship with BO'B or, at the very least, BO'B's relationship with Matt