Red Mosquito

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

PHATJ wrote:I legitimately like every song on this album.

You don’t say!!!!!!!!!!

bodysnatcher wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

My (very very) limited understanding of it is: there are a bunch of half-finished Soundgarden demos with Chris Cornell vocals on them. The guys want to put them together as a final SG album. Vicky Cornell will only allow this to happen if they use Brendan O'Brien as a producer, which the rest of the band doesn't want to do for some reason.

All this really does for me is beg the question: what reasons would SG have for opposing a producer of BoB’s history and standing so intensely that they would rather just not do it at all?

aside from any personal issues with BOB, i'd assume that they just don't want to be told by an outside source (especially Vicky) how their art and music should be created, and who they have to work with

PHATJ wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

PHATJ wrote:I legitimately like every song on this album.

You don’t say!!!!!!!!!!

I do. I’ve even warmed to Buckle Up.

PHATJ wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

PHATJ wrote:I legitimately like every song on this album.

You don’t say!!!!!!!!!!

I do. I’ve even warmed to Buckle Up.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

PHATJ wrote:I legitimately like every song on this album.

You don’t say!!!!!!!!!!

I do. I’ve even warmed to Buckle Up.

I know I was being sarcastic!!!!!!!!!

McParadigm wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

My (very very) limited understanding of it is: there are a bunch of half-finished Soundgarden demos with Chris Cornell vocals on them. The guys want to put them together as a final SG album. Vicky Cornell will only allow this to happen if they use Brendan O'Brien as a producer, which the rest of the band doesn't want to do for some reason.

All this really does for me is beg the question: what reasons would SG have for opposing a producer of BoB’s history and standing so intensely that they would rather just not do it at all?

I think they wanted to work with Kasper and not have Vicky to tell them how to work or what to do to promote the album.

Oh, I don’t think it’s all that worth guessing over. It could be he accidentally didn’t hang up a call before shit-talking somebody. It could be that it’s some other bummer thing he did that we would have no reason or right to know about. Who the fuck knows what, among the millions of possible reasons out there, causes one group of people to fall out.

Strat wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

PHATJ wrote:I legitimately like every song on this album.

You don’t say!!!!!!!!!!

I do. I’ve even warmed to Buckle Up.

I so so so wish Retrograde was a good song. That spot erally needed it.

Its better than i originally felt but it still pretty much sucks.

I am in the camp that...with a reworked melody and different lyrical approach...the monster that is of the earth musically (saw it in denver, incredible) would have been perfect in this spot.

Retrograde doesn't bring me to the place that is needed before coming down to River Cross.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

PHATJ wrote:I legitimately like every song on this album.

You don’t say!!!!!!!!!!

I do. I’ve even warmed to Buckle Up.

I know I was being sarcastic!!!!!!!!!

Soundgarden's quest to complete its final studio album is starting to get ugly as Chris Cornell's widow Vicky Cornell has sued the legendary grunge band, claiming it is withholding royalties in exchange for a handful of unreleased songs.

Vicky has accused her late-husband's band of hoarding hundreds of thousands of dollars in royalties owed to herself and Chris' children, in what she says is an "unlawful attempt to strong-arm Chris' Estate into turning over certain audio recordings created by Chris before he passed away," TMZ reports.

Co-founding Soundgarden guitarist Kim Thayil has repeated several times in recent interviews that the band hopes to complete the album it began writing before Chris' tragic 2017 death, using vocals Chris recorded at his home studio.

The band has demo copies of the songs but not the raw tracks it would need to complete the album, Thayil has explained.

Vicky's lawsuit clarifies that seven tracks total are at issue. Documents state that the songs were "solely authored by Chris; contain Chris' own vocal tracks; and were bequeathed to Chris' Estate" for the benefit of Vicky and Chris' children.

In a letter, Soundgarden refuted Vicky's claim that Chris was the lone writer of all the tracks in question. The band says Chris wrote two of the songs by himself, the other five were collaborations with other members of the band.

Money isn't the only factor in the stalemate. Vicky claims she has negotiated to share the songs, but she wants the band to move forward with Chris' preferred producer (presumably, Brendan O'Brien who produced Cornell's last two solo studio albums), but the band refused.

Thayil has hinted that gaining possession of Chris' vocals and his portion of music for that album has been hung up on "what [the album] would entail and how that works and who that would benefit."

But Vicky adds in the lawsuit that Thayil's comments referring to tension between herself and Soundgarden have been intentionally misleading to the band's "rabid fan base" and have put her family in harm's way.

Vicky is asking a judge to declare Chris' estate sole owner of the unreleased songs and compel the band to pay out the royalties.

Ms Harmless wrote:OK but Retrograde is actually Good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dad wrote:

Strat wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

PHATJ wrote:I legitimately like every song on this album.

You don’t say!!!!!!!!!!

I do. I’ve even warmed to Buckle Up.

I so so so wish Retrograde was a good song. That spot erally needed it.

Its better than i originally felt but it still pretty much sucks.

I am in the camp that...with a reworked melody and different lyrical approach...the monster that is of the earth musically (saw it in denver, incredible) would have been perfect in this spot.

Retrograde doesn't bring me to the place that is needed before coming down to River Cross.

Yeah, I keep trying with Retrograde too. I just can't. It's not good. I find myself skipping it more and more.

dad wrote:

Strat wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

PHATJ wrote:I legitimately like every song on this album.

You don’t say!!!!!!!!!!

I do. I’ve even warmed to Buckle Up.

I so so so wish Retrograde was a good song. That spot erally needed it.

Its better than i originally felt but it still pretty much sucks.

I am in the camp that...with a reworked melody and different lyrical approach...the monster that is of the earth musically (saw it in denver, incredible) would have been perfect in this spot.

Retrograde doesn't bring me to the place that is needed before coming down to River Cross.

Yeah, I keep trying with Retrograde too. I just can't. It's not good. I find myself skipping it more and more.

bodysnatcher wrote:

dad wrote:

Strat wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

PHATJ wrote:I legitimately like every song on this album.

You don’t say!!!!!!!!!!

I do. I’ve even warmed to Buckle Up.

I so so so wish Retrograde was a good song. That spot erally needed it.

Its better than i originally felt but it still pretty much sucks.

I am in the camp that...with a reworked melody and different lyrical approach...the monster that is of the earth musically (saw it in denver, incredible) would have been perfect in this spot.

Retrograde doesn't bring me to the place that is needed before coming down to River Cross.

Yeah, I keep trying with Retrograde too. I just can't. It's not good. I find myself skipping it more and more.

i haven't ventured into the Retrograde thread, so maybe this has been discussed. but for me the song's downfall is Ed's vocal melody. there's something with the instrumental that could work... something about it feels like a Zeppelin / happy Mad Season / Chris Cornell "Seasons" feel to it.... but they just turned the song too happy sounding. they leaned into that "Amongst the Waves" equation. the lyrics are fine, they just... i dunno... after all of the songs before it that feel like a real evolution, the song just feels like they took a step back.

that said, i do love the ending.

bodysnatcher wrote:

dad wrote:

Strat wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

PHATJ wrote:I legitimately like every song on this album.

You don’t say!!!!!!!!!!

I do. I’ve even warmed to Buckle Up.

I so so so wish Retrograde was a good song. That spot erally needed it.

Its better than i originally felt but it still pretty much sucks.

I am in the camp that...with a reworked melody and different lyrical approach...the monster that is of the earth musically (saw it in denver, incredible) would have been perfect in this spot.

Retrograde doesn't bring me to the place that is needed before coming down to River Cross.

Yeah, I keep trying with Retrograde too. I just can't. It's not good. I find myself skipping it more and more.

i haven't ventured into the Retrograde thread, so maybe this has been discussed. but for me the song's downfall is Ed's vocal melody. there's something with the instrumental that could work... something about it feels like a Zeppelin / happy Mad Season / Chris Cornell "Seasons" feel to it.... but they just turned the song too happy sounding. they leaned into that "Amongst the Waves" equation. the lyrics are fine, they just... i dunno... after all of the songs before it that feel like a real evolution, the song just feels like they took a step back.

that said, i do love the ending.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

bodysnatcher wrote:

dad wrote:

Strat wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

PHATJ wrote:I legitimately like every song on this album.

You don’t say!!!!!!!!!!

I do. I’ve even warmed to Buckle Up.

I so so so wish Retrograde was a good song. That spot erally needed it.

Its better than i originally felt but it still pretty much sucks.

I am in the camp that...with a reworked melody and different lyrical approach...the monster that is of the earth musically (saw it in denver, incredible) would have been perfect in this spot.

Retrograde doesn't bring me to the place that is needed before coming down to River Cross.

Yeah, I keep trying with Retrograde too. I just can't. It's not good. I find myself skipping it more and more.

i haven't ventured into the Retrograde thread, so maybe this has been discussed. but for me the song's downfall is Ed's vocal melody. there's something with the instrumental that could work... something about it feels like a Zeppelin / happy Mad Season / Chris Cornell "Seasons" feel to it.... but they just turned the song too happy sounding. they leaned into that "Amongst the Waves" equation. the lyrics are fine, they just... i dunno... after all of the songs before it that feel like a real evolution, the song just feels like they took a step back.

that said, i do love the ending.

Agree with all of this. The vocals just kill the song for me. Which is a shame, because Ed is a real highlight for most of the album.

FlatSideofaDog wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

bodysnatcher wrote:

dad wrote:

Strat wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

PHATJ wrote:I legitimately like every song on this album.

You don’t say!!!!!!!!!!

I do. I’ve even warmed to Buckle Up.

I so so so wish Retrograde was a good song. That spot erally needed it.

Its better than i originally felt but it still pretty much sucks.

I am in the camp that...with a reworked melody and different lyrical approach...the monster that is of the earth musically (saw it in denver, incredible) would have been perfect in this spot.

Retrograde doesn't bring me to the place that is needed before coming down to River Cross.

Yeah, I keep trying with Retrograde too. I just can't. It's not good. I find myself skipping it more and more.

i haven't ventured into the Retrograde thread, so maybe this has been discussed. but for me the song's downfall is Ed's vocal melody. there's something with the instrumental that could work... something about it feels like a Zeppelin / happy Mad Season / Chris Cornell "Seasons" feel to it.... but they just turned the song too happy sounding. they leaned into that "Amongst the Waves" equation. the lyrics are fine, they just... i dunno... after all of the songs before it that feel like a real evolution, the song just feels like they took a step back.

that said, i do love the ending.

Agree with all of this. The vocals just kill the song for me. Which is a shame, because Ed is a real highlight for most of the album.

You are the problem, Strat.