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shinkdew wrote:

philpritchard wrote:Congratulations Garth Snow! You managed to turn Matt Moulson, a first and a second into Sebatien Collberg and a second!

I like that Moulson has become some kind of star player. He's realistically a third liner which he proved in Buffalo with his 20 goal pace. Snow should've never given up a first in that deal, but I'll take Collberg. He's more than they would've gotten if they had kept Moulson.

So a guy scores 20 goals on the worst team in the league with nothing around him and that makes him a 3rd liner?

MattA75 wrote:

shinkdew wrote:

philpritchard wrote:Congratulations Garth Snow! You managed to turn Matt Moulson, a first and a second into Sebatien Collberg and a second!

I like that Moulson has become some kind of star player. He's realistically a third liner which he proved in Buffalo with his 20 goal pace. Snow should've never given up a first in that deal, but I'll take Collberg. He's more than they would've gotten if they had kept Moulson.

So a guy scores 20 goals on the worst team in the league with nothing around him and that makes him a 3rd liner?

No, the fact he was on the Islanders third line when was traded and the fact he went to Buffalo and was on a 20 goal pace, makes him a third liner.

shinkdew wrote:

MattA75 wrote:

shinkdew wrote:

philpritchard wrote:Congratulations Garth Snow! You managed to turn Matt Moulson, a first and a second into Sebatien Collberg and a second!

I like that Moulson has become some kind of star player. He's realistically a third liner which he proved in Buffalo with his 20 goal pace. Snow should've never given up a first in that deal, but I'll take Collberg. He's more than they would've gotten if they had kept Moulson.

So a guy scores 20 goals on the worst team in the league with nothing around him and that makes him a 3rd liner?

No, the fact he was on the Islanders third line when was traded and the fact he went to Buffalo and was on a 20 goal pace, makes him a third liner.

His 82 games pace over the last five years is for 30, 31, 36, 26 and 25 goals. He has the 16th most goals in the NHL over that span, placing him just ahead of Patrick Sharp, Daniel Sedin and... Thomas Vanek. There's no team in the NHL where Matt Moulson qualifies as a third liner.

Either way, the complaints aren't about how good Moulson is. The complaints are that Snow paid way too much to acquire Vanek, then proceeded to flip Vanek for way too little. Based on the return Buffalo got when they flipped Moulson, it's probably not a stretch to say the Isles could have gotten Collberg straight up for Moulson without having to give up a first and second in the process.

No matter how you look at it or what you think about the players involved, it's absolutely horrible asset management.

so it takes 3 flyers to take on erkskine?

Peeps wrote:so it takes 3 flyers to take on erkskine?

yes, do you know who john erskine is? he's probably the best fighter not named mcgrattan. vinny should count that fight as a W since he didnt die.

also, were you drinking last night? it was 2 flyers, lecavalier and simmonds. in fact simmonds is so awesome he jumped in the fight and didnt get 3rd man in. the guy is amazing.

warehouse wrote:

Peeps wrote:so it takes 3 flyers to take on erkskine?

yes, do you know who john erskine is? he's probably the best fighter not named mcgrattan. vinny should count that fight as a W since he didnt die.

also, were you drinking last night? it was 2 flyers, lecavalier and simmonds. in fact simmonds is so awesome he jumped in the fight and didnt get 3rd man in. the guy is amazing.

i saw simmonds hold ersk while vinnie threw punches, like a pussy, so no, was not drunk

Peeps wrote:

warehouse wrote:

Peeps wrote:so it takes 3 flyers to take on erkskine?

yes, do you know who john erskine is? he's probably the best fighter not named mcgrattan. vinny should count that fight as a W since he didnt die.

also, were you drinking last night? it was 2 flyers, lecavalier and simmonds. in fact simmonds is so awesome he jumped in the fight and didnt get 3rd man in. the guy is amazing.

i saw simmonds hold ersk while vinnie threw punches, like a pussy, so no, was not drunk

maybe you were on hallucinogens? so you saw simmonds (1) and vinny (2) beating up erskine...but it takes 3 flyers to take on erskine...i mean, im not a math major, but im also not retarded.

Warehouse and Peeps arguing in the NHL thread really makes coming to RM worthwhile.

im not even arguing, im trying to figure out what kinda drugs peeps was on to see 3 flyers fighting erskine, when everyone, including himself, said it was vinny and simmonds.

the flyers and caps are developing a real nice rivalry. the only thing that would have made last night better was if emery was healthy enough to play. now that i think about it, he could probably fight erskine better than simmonds or vinny.

warehouse wrote:im not even arguing, im trying to figure out what kinda drugs peeps was on to see 3 flyers fighting erskine, when everyone, including himself, said it was vinny and simmonds.

the flyers and caps are developing a real nice rivalry. the only thing that would have made last night better was if emery was healthy enough to play. now that i think about it, he could probably fight erskine better than simmonds or vinny.

go to around the 53 second mark.

the sens make me furious sometimes

Peeps wrote:

warehouse wrote:im not even arguing, im trying to figure out what kinda drugs peeps was on to see 3 flyers fighting erskine, when everyone, including himself, said it was vinny and simmonds.

the flyers and caps are developing a real nice rivalry. the only thing that would have made last night better was if emery was healthy enough to play. now that i think about it, he could probably fight erskine better than simmonds or vinny.

go to around the 53 second mark.

where there's a pile of players, and 3 flyers on top? geez man, at least be realistic w/ your flyers hate. erskine and vinny werent even fighting at that point yet, i think erskine was going after simmonds, and that led to the pile up with 3 flyers on top. which somehow you interpret as all fighting john erskine at the same time, like he's the only caps player there. you are wrong, it was 2 flyers, simmonds and vinny.

i said take on, which they dogpiled him

as far as simmonds holding him so vinnie can get in a cheap shot, if that was bortuzzo holding someone for crosby to punch youd be all over it

Dev wrote:the sens make me furious sometimes

I like when the Sens make Sens fans furious.

philpritchard wrote:

Dev wrote:the sens make me furious sometimes

I like when the Sens make Sens fans furious.

At least the Sens fans still care. There is just a sense of defeat in Vancouver. Since the 2011 finals, Vancouver has been on a pretty quick death spiral. We have the worst coach in the league, a GM that is despised by everyone it seems and we play the most boring hockey imaginable.

Check Luongo's tweets during Vancouver's 6-1 loss last night. I think he harbours a grudge.

#PrayForEddie (after the first period and Canucks down 3-0)

If I was still the back up I coulda came in and mopped this game up nicely….. (after the first period and Canucks down 5-0)

I'd put Thing 4 in for the 3rd period (after the first period and Canucks down 5-0)

surfndestroy wrote:

philpritchard wrote:

Dev wrote:the sens make me furious sometimes

I like when the Sens make Sens fans furious.

At least the Sens fans still care. There is just a sense of defeat in Vancouver. Since the 2011 finals, Vancouver has been on a pretty quick death spiral. We have the worst coach in the league, a GM that is despised by everyone it seems and we play the most boring hockey imaginable.

Check Luongo's tweets during Vancouver's 6-1 loss last night. I think he harbours a grudge.

#PrayForEddie (after the first period and Canucks down 3-0)

If I was still the back up I coulda came in and mopped this game up nicely….. (after the first period and Canucks down 5-0)

I'd put Thing 4 in for the 3rd period (after the first period and Canucks down 5-0)

I'm not sure he harbours a grudge... I think he's just hilarious.

It seems kinda harsh considering how much success the Canucks have had in the last decade, but I think they're slipping into a situation similar to where the Leafs found themselves post-lockout and where the Flames were until about a year ago; they have a few talented players on the roster, but they're aging and just not that good anymore. The Leafs had Sundin as a huge trade chip, but they weren't able to move him because he wouldn't let them. The Flames had Iginla, but they held on too long in a desperate attempt to contend and didn't get full value for him. The Canucks have the Sedins, but they look like they're losing value pretty quickly. At least they have a few good prospects in place that they can build around, but I think the need to start rebuilding before everyone's value completely craters.

What the hell is with Tyler Seguin having huge nights every couple of weeks? Every time he starts to slump a little bit, he seems to respond with a 4-5 point game.

philpritchard wrote:What the hell is with Tyler Seguin having huge nights every couple of weeks? Every time he starts to slump a little bit, he seems to respond with a 4-5 point game.

Maybe those bi-monthly AA meetings are working.

philpritchard wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:

philpritchard wrote:

Dev wrote:the sens make me furious sometimes

I like when the Sens make Sens fans furious.

At least the Sens fans still care. There is just a sense of defeat in Vancouver. Since the 2011 finals, Vancouver has been on a pretty quick death spiral. We have the worst coach in the league, a GM that is despised by everyone it seems and we play the most boring hockey imaginable.

Check Luongo's tweets during Vancouver's 6-1 loss last night. I think he harbours a grudge.

#PrayForEddie (after the first period and Canucks down 3-0)

If I was still the back up I coulda came in and mopped this game up nicely….. (after the first period and Canucks down 5-0)

I'd put Thing 4 in for the 3rd period (after the first period and Canucks down 5-0)

I'm not sure he harbours a grudge... I think he's just hilarious.

It seems kinda harsh considering how much success the Canucks have had in the last decade, but I think they're slipping into a situation similar to where the Leafs found themselves post-lockout and where the Flames were until about a year ago; they have a few talented players on the roster, but they're aging and just not that good anymore. The Leafs had Sundin as a huge trade chip, but they weren't able to move him because he wouldn't let them. The Flames had Iginla, but they held on too long in a desperate attempt to contend and didn't get full value for him. The Canucks have the Sedins, but they look like they're losing value pretty quickly. At least they have a few good prospects in place that they can build around, but I think the need to start rebuilding before everyone's value completely craters.

not to belabor the point, but I said they should've blown it up after 2011...fired AV, traded the Sedins, and re-tooled around Kesler as the focal point...I said then they had a lot of problems based on how they acted during that entire finals series and that there had to be guys in that room who wanted nothing to do with the shenanigans that went on for those two weeks...the pure talent was good enough to get by on for a little bit, but the problems that started to show in the playoffs 2 years ago against LA only exacerbated all of last year, and this year it's even worse...and now they've made it worse by re-signing the Sedins at 7 mil a year each for however many years...

Peeps wrote:i said take on, which they dogpiled him

as far as simmonds holding him so vinnie can get in a cheap shot, if that was bortuzzo holding someone for crosby to punch youd be all over it

lets not pretend crosby is going to throw a punch unless the refs are there to protect him. he sure as shit wouldnt drop his gloves w/ erskine, either.