Red Mosquito

Strat wrote:

FlatSideofaDog wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

bodysnatcher wrote:

dad wrote:

Strat wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

PHATJ wrote:I legitimately like every song on this album.

You don’t say!!!!!!!!!!

I do. I’ve even warmed to Buckle Up.

I so so so wish Retrograde was a good song. That spot erally needed it.

Its better than i originally felt but it still pretty much sucks.

I am in the camp that...with a reworked melody and different lyrical approach...the monster that is of the earth musically (saw it in denver, incredible) would have been perfect in this spot.

Retrograde doesn't bring me to the place that is needed before coming down to River Cross.

Yeah, I keep trying with Retrograde too. I just can't. It's not good. I find myself skipping it more and more.

i haven't ventured into the Retrograde thread, so maybe this has been discussed. but for me the song's downfall is Ed's vocal melody. there's something with the instrumental that could work... something about it feels like a Zeppelin / happy Mad Season / Chris Cornell "Seasons" feel to it.... but they just turned the song too happy sounding. they leaned into that "Amongst the Waves" equation. the lyrics are fine, they just... i dunno... after all of the songs before it that feel like a real evolution, the song just feels like they took a step back.

that said, i do love the ending.

Agree with all of this. The vocals just kill the song for me. Which is a shame, because Ed is a real highlight for most of the album.

You are the problem, Strat.

It sucks and you should feel shame.

FlatSideofaDog wrote:

Strat wrote:

FlatSideofaDog wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

bodysnatcher wrote:

dad wrote:

Strat wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

PHATJ wrote:I legitimately like every song on this album.

You don’t say!!!!!!!!!!

I do. I’ve even warmed to Buckle Up.

I so so so wish Retrograde was a good song. That spot erally needed it.

Its better than i originally felt but it still pretty much sucks.

I am in the camp that...with a reworked melody and different lyrical approach...the monster that is of the earth musically (saw it in denver, incredible) would have been perfect in this spot.

Retrograde doesn't bring me to the place that is needed before coming down to River Cross.

Yeah, I keep trying with Retrograde too. I just can't. It's not good. I find myself skipping it more and more.

i haven't ventured into the Retrograde thread, so maybe this has been discussed. but for me the song's downfall is Ed's vocal melody. there's something with the instrumental that could work... something about it feels like a Zeppelin / happy Mad Season / Chris Cornell "Seasons" feel to it.... but they just turned the song too happy sounding. they leaned into that "Amongst the Waves" equation. the lyrics are fine, they just... i dunno... after all of the songs before it that feel like a real evolution, the song just feels like they took a step back.

that said, i do love the ending.

Agree with all of this. The vocals just kill the song for me. Which is a shame, because Ed is a real highlight for most of the album.

You are the problem, Strat.

It sucks and you should feel shame.

Pearl Jam doesn't make perfect albums. At their best, they make records with highs that are so consistent and high that they make up for the lows. After who knows how long of being a fan you don't recognize that because you want a perfect album from them. That's the first reason you're the problem. The second reason is that Gigaton is maybe their first perfect album and yet the one thing about Gigaton you can't get over is that it isn't quite perfect.

Leatherhead wrote:Matt's drumming in the first half of Retrograde doesn't help, but then he's a highlight in the second half.

FlatSideofaDog wrote:

Strat wrote:

FlatSideofaDog wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

bodysnatcher wrote:

dad wrote:

Strat wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

PHATJ wrote:I legitimately like every song on this album.

You don’t say!!!!!!!!!!

I do. I’ve even warmed to Buckle Up.

I so so so wish Retrograde was a good song. That spot erally needed it.

Its better than i originally felt but it still pretty much sucks.

I am in the camp that...with a reworked melody and different lyrical approach...the monster that is of the earth musically (saw it in denver, incredible) would have been perfect in this spot.

Retrograde doesn't bring me to the place that is needed before coming down to River Cross.

Yeah, I keep trying with Retrograde too. I just can't. It's not good. I find myself skipping it more and more.

i haven't ventured into the Retrograde thread, so maybe this has been discussed. but for me the song's downfall is Ed's vocal melody. there's something with the instrumental that could work... something about it feels like a Zeppelin / happy Mad Season / Chris Cornell "Seasons" feel to it.... but they just turned the song too happy sounding. they leaned into that "Amongst the Waves" equation. the lyrics are fine, they just... i dunno... after all of the songs before it that feel like a real evolution, the song just feels like they took a step back.

that said, i do love the ending.

Agree with all of this. The vocals just kill the song for me. Which is a shame, because Ed is a real highlight for most of the album.

You are the problem, Strat.

It sucks and you should feel shame.

Pearl Jam doesn't make perfect albums. At their best, they make records with highs that are so consistent and high that they make up for the lows. After who knows how long of being a fan you don't recognize that because you want a perfect album from them. That's the first reason you're the problem. The second reason is that Gigaton is maybe their first perfect album and yet the one thing about Gigaton you can't get over is that it isn't quite perfect.

FlatSideofaDog wrote:Pearl Jam doesn't make perfect albums.

FlatSideofaDog wrote:Gigaton is maybe their first perfect album

FlatSideofaDog wrote:it isn't quite perfect.

littlecomment wrote:

Leatherhead wrote:Matt's drumming in the first half of Retrograde doesn't help, but then he's a highlight in the second half.

The way they kind of sandbag the first half compared to the second, this one could potentially really pop live.

theplatypus wrote:

FlatSideofaDog wrote:Pearl Jam doesn't make perfect albums.

FlatSideofaDog wrote:Gigaton is maybe their first perfect album

FlatSideofaDog wrote:it isn't quite perfect.

littlecomment wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

FlatSideofaDog wrote:Pearl Jam doesn't make perfect albums.

FlatSideofaDog wrote:Gigaton is maybe their first perfect album

FlatSideofaDog wrote:it isn't quite perfect.

FlatSideofaDog wrote:The only legitimate complaint about Retrograde I've seen here is that Sirens is so bad it makes other songs bad.

Ms Harmless wrote:

FlatSideofaDog wrote:The only legitimate complaint about Retrograde I've seen here is that Sirens is so bad it makes other songs bad.

Sirens is good

Retrograde is nothing like Sirens

tragabigzanda wrote:Vickyton

Strat wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

FlatSideofaDog wrote:The only legitimate complaint about Retrograde I've seen here is that Sirens is so bad it makes other songs bad.

Sirens is good

Retrograde is nothing like Sirens

Correct statement