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Green Habit wrote:OK, let's say Trump wins the nomination. Let's also say that the GOP establishment comes to the conclusion that he's going to get crushed in the general. Do you try to run a third party candidate?

Doing so, of course, completely cedes the presidency to the Democrats in a "landslide" fashion. But the goal is to instead preserve control of Congress. Even if the two types of GOP voters split each other, what you're trying to do is to get all of your voters to at least vote downticket instead of just staying home. So if you hold onto at least the House, you can continue to obstruct the Democratic agenda, and if you keep the Senate as well, you can provide a barrier to swinging the Supreme Court against you as well.

Of course, that means they have to find a third party candidate that everyone can agree on.

Monkey_Driven wrote:I haven't been paying attention much to all of this coverage, but I know Super Tuesday is a really good gauge of who wins the primaries. Does Trump have this in the bag?

Carson 'Not Ready to Quit,' Gives 15-Minute Speech on Pledge of Allegiance

With Ben Carson projected to win no states on Super Tuesday, many were left wondering whether the former neurosurgeon would end his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination.

He didn’t.

“I am not ready to quit,” he told supporters in Baltimore Tuesday night.

Instead, he turned his attention to a far different topic: the Pledge of Allegiance.

“You think about the pledge,” he said. “The pledge that we all learned in kindergarten.”

And with that the candidate launched into a 15-minute soliloquy, annotating each phrase.

One nation, which he went on to define. “That means united. That means working together.”

Under God

“That means we don't throw away our faith,” he said. “That means we understand that that is an important part of who we are and maybe the rest of the world doesn't understand that but our founding document, our Declaration of Independence says that our rights come from our creator who is God. We should never forget that.”

Indivisible

“What does that mean?” Carson asked, rhetorically. He suggested that the biggest threat to the nation are the “radical Islamic extremists who want to destroy us” and that the country needs “to be more united than ever.”

With Liberty

“Freedom,” he said, “What is freedom?”

Carson continued, “Freedom is not having the government controlling every aspect of your life. Freedom is not having PC police telling you what you can say and what you cannot say. We are the ones who will determine what our level of freedom is by what we accept.”

He said citizens must continue to fight for their freedom, and stand up for what is right.

“All you have to do is look throughout history and see what has happened to those societies where people were not willing to stand up,” he said. “Where they thought it was easier just to stand down and put your head down and hope that you were not noticed. And hope no one called you a nasty name.”

And justice for all.

For this line, he borrowed some language from Donald Trump.

“We don't pick and choose winners and losers in our society. We want everybody in American society to be a winner,” he continued, “And believe me it is not that hard to do.”

At the end of his speech a teary-eyed Carson put the entire phrase back together with his own twist.

“And we will, by the grace of God,” he said, “we will have one nation under God, Indivisible with liberty and justice for all.”

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turned2black wrote:Looks like Carson is out.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

turned2black wrote:Looks like Carson is out.

BUT HE SAID YESTERDAY HE WASN'T GIVING UP

Green Habit wrote:OK, let's say Trump wins the nomination. Let's also say that the GOP establishment comes to the conclusion that he's going to get crushed in the general. Do you try to run a third party candidate?

Doing so, of course, completely cedes the presidency to the Democrats in a "landslide" fashion. But the goal is to instead preserve control of Congress. Even if the two types of GOP voters split each other, what you're trying to do is to get all of your voters to at least vote downticket instead of just staying home. So if you hold onto at least the House, you can continue to obstruct the Democratic agenda, and if you keep the Senate as well, you can provide a barrier to swinging the Supreme Court against you as well.

Of course, that means they have to find a third party candidate that everyone can agree on.

Simple Torture wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:I haven't been paying attention much to all of this coverage, but I know Super Tuesday is a really good gauge of who wins the primaries. Does Trump have this in the bag?

I think nearly every commentator out there has, at the very least, begrudgingly come to the conclusion that this is going to be drawn out for at least the next few weeks, and that Trump has upset the "normal course" of the primary season in many ways. What's keeping it from being "in the bag" is that nearly all states that have voted so far have been proportional, and Trump has barely grazed 40% in the states that he's won. Some of the upcoming primaries are winner-take-all states, and he could build an insurmountable lead if he starts racking those up.