Red Mosquito

Norris wrote:I think he was born into a middle class family but was just kind of a fuck up. To me that's a very sympathetic character.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:There’s like a two season arch where he stumbles around numb while 100 people do hard drugs in his house. He literally throws money at then to get them to stay.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I don't think taking drugs is a moral failing; I see addiction and dependence as a disease; Jesse was by that time desperate for human company even if / especially if they fuelled his addiction

I'd forgotten he was in Walter's class

I 100% agree on addiction. I don’t in any way connect that to the manufacturing and large scale distribution of hard drugs. That’s a business decision. In some situations it’s understandable; take forever example poor Black kids selling crack. But once you saw Jesse’s familial background, I don’t see how you could be on board with this choice.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I guess I think the start-up was the silly privileged decision of a kid, but once you've been thrown out and made essentially homeless, then my feelings change

That’s fair. And one criticism I’d give of the show is that the relationship with his family was used more as a plot device than a deep exploration of character. If they had parsed this out more, maybe I’d see it your way.

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I think they did quite well at the nuance where, yes, Jesse was a POS, but he was still manipulated and exploited by the bigger and more experienced POS (Walt -- I don't mean experienced in crime but certainly experienced in manipulation and abuse); also, Jesse was born into poverty which pushed him into crime, Walter was a bored rich suburbian (the angle that America requires people to spend inhumane amounts on healthcare was a good plot device but didn't make me sympathise with him, I believe he could've found the money somewhere, I don't believe that so much of Jesse)

Man I loved when Walt puts the dollar amount on how much he needs to make in the game before he quits. His decision to keep going was the real heel turn.

absolutely, that's one moment where he realises he's actually enjoying it; something in him already existed to make him the perfect guy for the game; I don't feel like Jesse had the same amount of awareness

spike wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I think they did quite well at the nuance where, yes, Jesse was a POS, but he was still manipulated and exploited by the bigger and more experienced POS (Walt -- I don't mean experienced in crime but certainly experienced in manipulation and abuse); also, Jesse was born into poverty which pushed him into crime, Walter was a bored rich suburbian (the angle that America requires people to spend inhumane amounts on healthcare was a good plot device but didn't make me sympathise with him, I believe he could've found the money somewhere, I don't believe that so much of Jesse)

Man I loved when Walt puts the dollar amount on how much he needs to make in the game before he quits. His decision to keep going was the real heel turn.

absolutely, that's one moment where he realises he's actually enjoying it; something in him already existed to make him the perfect guy for the game; I don't feel like Jesse had the same amount of awareness

this post is a semicolonoscopy!

Ms Harmless wrote:

spike wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I think they did quite well at the nuance where, yes, Jesse was a POS, but he was still manipulated and exploited by the bigger and more experienced POS (Walt -- I don't mean experienced in crime but certainly experienced in manipulation and abuse); also, Jesse was born into poverty which pushed him into crime, Walter was a bored rich suburbian (the angle that America requires people to spend inhumane amounts on healthcare was a good plot device but didn't make me sympathise with him, I believe he could've found the money somewhere, I don't believe that so much of Jesse)

Man I loved when Walt puts the dollar amount on how much he needs to make in the game before he quits. His decision to keep going was the real heel turn.

absolutely, that's one moment where he realises he's actually enjoying it; something in him already existed to make him the perfect guy for the game; I don't feel like Jesse had the same amount of awareness

this post is a semicolonoscopy!

I don't know when but there was a point a few years ago where I made the important decision to only ever use semi-colons for punctuation on social media (or rather, no full-stops / periods); it's generally worked for me

Mecca wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

spike wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I think they did quite well at the nuance where, yes, Jesse was a POS, but he was still manipulated and exploited by the bigger and more experienced POS (Walt -- I don't mean experienced in crime but certainly experienced in manipulation and abuse); also, Jesse was born into poverty which pushed him into crime, Walter was a bored rich suburbian (the angle that America requires people to spend inhumane amounts on healthcare was a good plot device but didn't make me sympathise with him, I believe he could've found the money somewhere, I don't believe that so much of Jesse)

Man I loved when Walt puts the dollar amount on how much he needs to make in the game before he quits. His decision to keep going was the real heel turn.

absolutely, that's one moment where he realises he's actually enjoying it; something in him already existed to make him the perfect guy for the game; I don't feel like Jesse had the same amount of awareness

this post is a semicolonoscopy!

I don't know when but there was a point a few years ago where I made the important decision to only ever use semi-colons for punctuation on social media (or rather, no full-stops / periods); it's generally worked for me

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