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Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Wed October 09, 2019 11:47 am
by Bi_3
BurtReynolds wrote:
I posted that years ago. It's yet another global issue that could be solved by Thorium reactors.
Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Wed October 09, 2019 1:38 pm
by McParadigm
nice social studies map you really cracked the case with it
Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Wed October 09, 2019 1:42 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Wed October 09, 2019 2:31 pm
by BurtReynolds
McParadigm wrote:nice social studies map you really cracked the case with it
What time did trump take a shit this morning?
Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Wed October 09, 2019 3:32 pm
by McParadigm
BurtReynolds wrote:McParadigm wrote:nice social studies map you really cracked the case with it
What time did trump take a shit this morning?
Turkey is primarily a refiner and transporter of oil. They have some fields, but the vast majority of the oil that travels through Turkey is not Turkish.
Their primary supplier right now is Russia. Russia currently sells a million tons of oil a month to Turkey for refining, or nearly 47% of Turkey’s total imports. They acquired this lucrative deal thanks to Trump-ordered, US-guided sanctions on Iranian oil, which forced Turkey to look elsewhere.
If oil control is the end all be all of Middle East politics, why is Russia helping Turkey become less dependent on them at the cost of billions? What do you think is their ambition here? Side question: why is Russia suddenly suggesting that Turkey, of all countries, belongs in the G8? As late as 2015, these two countries were so close to conflict that the Russian ambassador to Turkey was assassinated and Turkish forces downed a Russian fighter in Turkish airspace.
Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Wed October 09, 2019 3:37 pm
by BurtReynolds
And?
Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Wed October 09, 2019 3:44 pm
by McParadigm
no answer is certainly a type of answer.
Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Wed October 09, 2019 3:48 pm
by BurtReynolds
Answer your own questions and I'll tell you what I agree or disagree with.
Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Wed October 09, 2019 3:52 pm
by BurtReynolds
Oh wait I forgot you think trump is a Russian agent. Your post makes a little more sense in that dim light now.
Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Wed October 09, 2019 4:24 pm
by McParadigm
Here, I fixed it for you. Removed the trigger words. Now, please, as a favor, articulate your actual perceptions of world events and lay out the rationale behind those perceptions, instead of relying on sarcasm or pretending that a question is invalid depending on who asked it. I’d genuinely like to know your full, expressed thoughts. I’m not playing ‘gotcha.’ My own answer to these questions will be brief, messy, and probably an opportunity for someone to correct me in places where I am demonstrably, even stupidly wrong. That’s 9/10ths of the value of debate.
Turkey is primarily a refiner and transporter of oil. They have some fields, but the vast majority of the oil that travels through Turkey is not Turkish.
Their primary supplier right now is Russia. Russia currently sells a million tons of oil a month to Turkey for refining, or nearly 47% of Turkey’s total imports.
If oil control is the end all be all of Middle East politics, why is Russia helping Turkey become less dependent on them at the cost of billions? What do you think is their ambition here? Side question: why is Russia suddenly suggesting that Turkey, of all countries, belongs in the G8? As late as 2015, these two countries were so close to conflict that the Russian ambassador to Turkey was assassinated and Turkish forces downed a Russian fighter in Turkish airspace
Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Wed October 09, 2019 4:39 pm
by BurtReynolds
"Why is Russia helping Turkey become less dependent on them at the cost of billions?"
What specifically are you referring to here? The only way I can make sense of this question in reference to my post is that you think Trump's withdrawal is a favor to Putin and his apparent ally Turkey (edit: but has nothing to do with oil). Is that what you are saying?
Another way you could look at it (that doesn't involve such a convoluted conspiracy) is that America allowing Turkey greater access to Syrian oil would make Turkey less reliant on Russian oil, thus weakening Russia. Sounds like two powers fighting over Turkey's favor (using oil). In other words: business as usual.
2015 was an eternity ago, and if I remember the diplomat wasn't killed by Erdogan.
Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Wed October 09, 2019 5:10 pm
by Bi_3
An Iran powerful enough to occupy US focus is of great interest to Russia (reverse Afghanistan) A divided NATO is of great interest to Russia. Allowing Russians access to NATO weapons inside Turkey is of great interest as well. Stomping out US allied (until Trump) Kurds by resettling refugees would be a bonus
Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Wed October 09, 2019 5:19 pm
by BurtReynolds
NATO weapons in Turkey is probably an issue on it's own, but the rest boils down to oil IMO. Even NATO's existence itself post-cold war is probably because of oil.
But at this point I'm not sure if anyone knows what they are fighting for anymore, or who is on which side.
Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Wed October 09, 2019 5:33 pm
by surfndestroy
BurtReynolds wrote:But at this point I'm not sure if anyone knows what they are fighting for anymore, or who is on which side.
Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Fri October 11, 2019 8:52 pm
by McParadigm
Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Fri October 11, 2019 10:21 pm
by BurtReynolds
Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Sat October 12, 2019 6:10 pm
by McParadigm
Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Sat October 12, 2019 6:33 pm
by McParadigm
Mission accomplished.
Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Sun October 13, 2019 1:34 am
by McParadigm
Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Mon October 14, 2019 10:08 pm
by Bi_3
We are nearing worse case scenario here:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/tr ... ar-AAILbg6
Scroll down about half way
