Red Mosquito

Ms Harmless wrote:

mikejasond wrote:You know. Honestly?

It's like...in some ways, this might be the album with the most love put into it since Ten.

I don't think it's their second best album, but I DO think they have never done an album since Ten where every song is this worth listening to. In Ten that's due to consistency. In this it's actually variety. A lot of their albums are full of filler tracks. I don't think there's much of any on this album. Not since Ten can I say that (or maybe, arguably Vs.). They do experiment with different sounds on No Code but I don't think that every song on No Code is as successful in its genre as the ones on this album at all. Yield, Binaural, Riot Act all have a ton of throwaway tracks. Are any of them as fully formed as these?

I mean...I prefer the sound of those earlier albums. They were better in terms of a lot of things...but in terms of strictly the songwriting, I think this is maybe their most consistent and interesting since Ten.

That does NOT make it the best, but I dunno...can any other album compare there?

Vitalogy is my favourite, but I don't go to it for an entirely comfortable no-skips playthrough

for that, there's Vs. and Riot Act

I think that's it

That’s Yield and Vs. for me.

PHATJ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

mikejasond wrote:You know. Honestly?

It's like...in some ways, this might be the album with the most love put into it since Ten.

I don't think it's their second best album, but I DO think they have never done an album since Ten where every song is this worth listening to. In Ten that's due to consistency. In this it's actually variety. A lot of their albums are full of filler tracks. I don't think there's much of any on this album. Not since Ten can I say that (or maybe, arguably Vs.). They do experiment with different sounds on No Code but I don't think that every song on No Code is as successful in its genre as the ones on this album at all. Yield, Binaural, Riot Act all have a ton of throwaway tracks. Are any of them as fully formed as these?

I mean...I prefer the sound of those earlier albums. They were better in terms of a lot of things...but in terms of strictly the songwriting, I think this is maybe their most consistent and interesting since Ten.

That does NOT make it the best, but I dunno...can any other album compare there?

Vitalogy is my favourite, but I don't go to it for an entirely comfortable no-skips playthrough

for that, there's Vs. and Riot Act

I think that's it

That’s Yield and Vs. for me.

Yield is amazing, I don't usually skip anything on it, but I'm not as wild about it as some on here

Ms Harmless wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

mikejasond wrote:You know. Honestly?

It's like...in some ways, this might be the album with the most love put into it since Ten.

I don't think it's their second best album, but I DO think they have never done an album since Ten where every song is this worth listening to. In Ten that's due to consistency. In this it's actually variety. A lot of their albums are full of filler tracks. I don't think there's much of any on this album. Not since Ten can I say that (or maybe, arguably Vs.). They do experiment with different sounds on No Code but I don't think that every song on No Code is as successful in its genre as the ones on this album at all. Yield, Binaural, Riot Act all have a ton of throwaway tracks. Are any of them as fully formed as these?

I mean...I prefer the sound of those earlier albums. They were better in terms of a lot of things...but in terms of strictly the songwriting, I think this is maybe their most consistent and interesting since Ten.

That does NOT make it the best, but I dunno...can any other album compare there?

Vitalogy is my favourite, but I don't go to it for an entirely comfortable no-skips playthrough

for that, there's Vs. and Riot Act

I think that's it

That’s Yield and Vs. for me.

Yield is amazing, I don't usually skip anything on it, but I'm not as wild about it as some on here

I have a hard time exactly placing it. It could be as high as one or two and as low as five or six. But it tends on the higher side.

PHATJ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

mikejasond wrote:You know. Honestly?

It's like...in some ways, this might be the album with the most love put into it since Ten.

I don't think it's their second best album, but I DO think they have never done an album since Ten where every song is this worth listening to. In Ten that's due to consistency. In this it's actually variety. A lot of their albums are full of filler tracks. I don't think there's much of any on this album. Not since Ten can I say that (or maybe, arguably Vs.). They do experiment with different sounds on No Code but I don't think that every song on No Code is as successful in its genre as the ones on this album at all. Yield, Binaural, Riot Act all have a ton of throwaway tracks. Are any of them as fully formed as these?

I mean...I prefer the sound of those earlier albums. They were better in terms of a lot of things...but in terms of strictly the songwriting, I think this is maybe their most consistent and interesting since Ten.

That does NOT make it the best, but I dunno...can any other album compare there?

Vitalogy is my favourite, but I don't go to it for an entirely comfortable no-skips playthrough

for that, there's Vs. and Riot Act

I think that's it

That’s Yield and Vs. for me.

Yield is amazing, I don't usually skip anything on it, but I'm not as wild about it as some on here

I have a hard time exactly placing it. It could be as high as one or two and as low as five or six. But it tends on the higher side.

Same could be said for Vs.

Ms Harmless wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

this is absolutely right

I believe that with all my heart. Gigaton absolutely belongs with the best of PJ, and I think that includes everything from Ten - Riot Act. How people rank those albums is all about taste, mood, experience, etc. But each of these albums can legitimately be dissected and applauded on their merits and also thoroughly enjoyed by the listener. I’m not sure any legitimate argument can be made for the other three, though I generally enjoy S/T.

yep yep yep

Bump because I’m selfish, and I was hoping for a little more convo.

Ms Harmless wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

mikejasond wrote:You know. Honestly?

It's like...in some ways, this might be the album with the most love put into it since Ten.

I don't think it's their second best album, but I DO think they have never done an album since Ten where every song is this worth listening to. In Ten that's due to consistency. In this it's actually variety. A lot of their albums are full of filler tracks. I don't think there's much of any on this album. Not since Ten can I say that (or maybe, arguably Vs.). They do experiment with different sounds on No Code but I don't think that every song on No Code is as successful in its genre as the ones on this album at all. Yield, Binaural, Riot Act all have a ton of throwaway tracks. Are any of them as fully formed as these?

I mean...I prefer the sound of those earlier albums. They were better in terms of a lot of things...but in terms of strictly the songwriting, I think this is maybe their most consistent and interesting since Ten.

That does NOT make it the best, but I dunno...can any other album compare there?

Vitalogy is my favourite, but I don't go to it for an entirely comfortable no-skips playthrough

for that, there's Vs. and Riot Act

I think that's it

That’s Yield and Vs. for me.

Yield is amazing, I don't usually skip anything on it, but I'm not as wild about it as some on here

I don't know. To me, Do the Evolution, Wishlist, and Given to Fly are the obvious standouts. I also really enjoy Low Light. But the rest of the album while good doesn't seem to be top-level. All Those Yesterdays is very good as well. In Hiding too, though a step below those others. The other half of the album seems a step below that.

Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, MFC sort of especially stand out as throwaway tracks or fillery experimentation. And that's not even including Red Dot.

I don't think it's a bad album, it's a good album, but I still think each individual song on Gigaton shows more love than these, or creativity in a successful way. (Pilate is creative but I don't find it that successful. Not bad, just underwhelming).

I can definitely see saying you LIKE Yield better than Gigaton, or that it IS better than Gigaton. But Superblood Wolfmoon is a song I like less than most of the Yield songs, yet I think that it comes off as bigger/more important than most of the Yield songs because it got so much love, even just the little touches like that section coming out of the bridge that was in the preview (and Id say its one of the weakest songs on this album and the most cuttable).

I don't know how to word it but I just don't think there's been a Pearl Jam album POSSIBLY since Ten where every track feels this worth listening to. We probably have Josh to thank for this honestly because its probably mostly production that makes every song sound so IMPORTANT. There's a gravity to each one that calls for your attention. In fact, that is sort of how Ten felt too, even if in a totally different way.

Juvenal wrote:

stip wrote:Thanks Anders - updated the main post.

Despite being a huge huge tom waits fan, pearl jam's 'weirder' side never did all that much for me - at least compared to the rest of their music. But Alright, Buckle Up, River Cross, and especially Dance all really hit it out of the park. 4 great songs, and one quite possible top 20 all timer

Really glad you like them, they're among my favourites.

PS Is it now time to fully admit that I quite like the song Lightning Bolt?

it’s always time for that

mikejasond wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

mikejasond wrote:You know. Honestly?

It's like...in some ways, this might be the album with the most love put into it since Ten.

I don't think it's their second best album, but I DO think they have never done an album since Ten where every song is this worth listening to. In Ten that's due to consistency. In this it's actually variety. A lot of their albums are full of filler tracks. I don't think there's much of any on this album. Not since Ten can I say that (or maybe, arguably Vs.). They do experiment with different sounds on No Code but I don't think that every song on No Code is as successful in its genre as the ones on this album at all. Yield, Binaural, Riot Act all have a ton of throwaway tracks. Are any of them as fully formed as these?

I mean...I prefer the sound of those earlier albums. They were better in terms of a lot of things...but in terms of strictly the songwriting, I think this is maybe their most consistent and interesting since Ten.

That does NOT make it the best, but I dunno...can any other album compare there?

Vitalogy is my favourite, but I don't go to it for an entirely comfortable no-skips playthrough

for that, there's Vs. and Riot Act

I think that's it

That’s Yield and Vs. for me.

Yield is amazing, I don't usually skip anything on it, but I'm not as wild about it as some on here

I don't know. To me, Do the Evolution, Wishlist, and Given to Fly are the obvious standouts. I also really enjoy Low Light. But the rest of the album while good doesn't seem to be top-level. All Those Yesterdays is very good as well. In Hiding too, though a step below those others. The other half of the album seems a step below that.

Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, MFC sort of especially stand out as throwaway tracks or fillery experimentation. And that's not even including Red Dot.

I don't think it's a bad album, it's a good album, but I still think each individual song on Gigaton shows more love than these, or creativity in a successful way. (Pilate is creative but I don't find it that successful. Not bad, just underwhelming).

I can definitely see saying you LIKE Yield better than Gigaton, or that it IS better than Gigaton. But Superblood Wolfmoon is a song I like less than most of the Yield songs, yet I think that it comes off as bigger/more important than most of the Yield songs because it got so much love, even just the little touches like that section coming out of the bridge that was in the preview (and Id say its one of the weakest songs on this album and the most cuttable).

I don't know how to word it but I just don't think there's been a Pearl Jam album POSSIBLY since Ten where every track feels this worth listening to. We probably have Josh to thank for this honestly because its probably mostly production that makes every song sound so IMPORTANT. There's a gravity to each one that calls for your attention. In fact, that is sort of how Ten felt too, even if in a totally different way.

I completely agree with you, man. Completely.

mikejasond wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

mikejasond wrote:You know. Honestly?

It's like...in some ways, this might be the album with the most love put into it since Ten.

I don't think it's their second best album, but I DO think they have never done an album since Ten where every song is this worth listening to. In Ten that's due to consistency. In this it's actually variety. A lot of their albums are full of filler tracks. I don't think there's much of any on this album. Not since Ten can I say that (or maybe, arguably Vs.). They do experiment with different sounds on No Code but I don't think that every song on No Code is as successful in its genre as the ones on this album at all. Yield, Binaural, Riot Act all have a ton of throwaway tracks. Are any of them as fully formed as these?

I mean...I prefer the sound of those earlier albums. They were better in terms of a lot of things...but in terms of strictly the songwriting, I think this is maybe their most consistent and interesting since Ten.

That does NOT make it the best, but I dunno...can any other album compare there?

Vitalogy is my favourite, but I don't go to it for an entirely comfortable no-skips playthrough

for that, there's Vs. and Riot Act

I think that's it

That’s Yield and Vs. for me.

Yield is amazing, I don't usually skip anything on it, but I'm not as wild about it as some on here

I don't know. To me, Do the Evolution, Wishlist, and Given to Fly are the obvious standouts. I also really enjoy Low Light. But the rest of the album while good doesn't seem to be top-level. All Those Yesterdays is very good as well. In Hiding too, though a step below those others. The other half of the album seems a step below that.

Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, MFC sort of especially stand out as throwaway tracks or fillery experimentation. And that's not even including Red Dot.

I don't think it's a bad album, it's a good album, but I still think each individual song on Gigaton shows more love than these, or creativity in a successful way. (Pilate is creative but I don't find it that successful. Not bad, just underwhelming).

I can definitely see saying you LIKE Yield better than Gigaton, or that it IS better than Gigaton. But Superblood Wolfmoon is a song I like less than most of the Yield songs, yet I think that it comes off as bigger/more important than most of the Yield songs because it got so much love, even just the little touches like that section coming out of the bridge that was in the preview (and Id say its one of the weakest songs on this album and the most cuttable).

I don't know how to word it but I just don't think there's been a Pearl Jam album POSSIBLY since Ten where every track feels this worth listening to. We probably have Josh to thank for this honestly because its probably mostly production that makes every song sound so IMPORTANT. There's a gravity to each one that calls for your attention. In fact, that is sort of how Ten felt too, even if in a totally different way.

i would subscribe to this, but I still dont know how much of that is still new album excitement. though Ive given this 20+ listens

also nice job correctly identifying the best songs on yield

I feel like half this record is made of bridges. that might be why its so good

Maybe what I'm reacting to is a similar spirit to Ten where every song seems to think it's one of the most important songs on the album and demands you treat it as such.

stip wrote:I feel like half this record is made of bridges. that might be why its so good

Haha yes!

Just got a message, that I can collect my LP in the shop across the street when I get home.

mikejasond wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

mikejasond wrote:You know. Honestly?

It's like...in some ways, this might be the album with the most love put into it since Ten.

I don't think it's their second best album, but I DO think they have never done an album since Ten where every song is this worth listening to. In Ten that's due to consistency. In this it's actually variety. A lot of their albums are full of filler tracks. I don't think there's much of any on this album. Not since Ten can I say that (or maybe, arguably Vs.). They do experiment with different sounds on No Code but I don't think that every song on No Code is as successful in its genre as the ones on this album at all. Yield, Binaural, Riot Act all have a ton of throwaway tracks. Are any of them as fully formed as these?

I mean...I prefer the sound of those earlier albums. They were better in terms of a lot of things...but in terms of strictly the songwriting, I think this is maybe their most consistent and interesting since Ten.

That does NOT make it the best, but I dunno...can any other album compare there?

Vitalogy is my favourite, but I don't go to it for an entirely comfortable no-skips playthrough

for that, there's Vs. and Riot Act

I think that's it

That’s Yield and Vs. for me.

Yield is amazing, I don't usually skip anything on it, but I'm not as wild about it as some on here

I don't know. To me, Do the Evolution, Wishlist, and Given to Fly are the obvious standouts. I also really enjoy Low Light. But the rest of the album while good doesn't seem to be top-level. All Those Yesterdays is very good as well. In Hiding too, though a step below those others. The other half of the album seems a step below that.

Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, MFC sort of especially stand out as throwaway tracks or fillery experimentation. And that's not even including Red Dot.

I don't think it's a bad album, it's a good album, but I still think each individual song on Gigaton shows more love than these, or creativity in a successful way. (Pilate is creative but I don't find it that successful. Not bad, just underwhelming).

I can definitely see saying you LIKE Yield better than Gigaton, or that it IS better than Gigaton. But Superblood Wolfmoon is a song I like less than most of the Yield songs, yet I think that it comes off as bigger/more important than most of the Yield songs because it got so much love, even just the little touches like that section coming out of the bridge that was in the preview (and Id say its one of the weakest songs on this album and the most cuttable).

I don't know how to word it but I just don't think there's been a Pearl Jam album POSSIBLY since Ten where every track feels this worth listening to. We probably have Josh to thank for this honestly because its probably mostly production that makes every song sound so IMPORTANT. There's a gravity to each one that calls for your attention. In fact, that is sort of how Ten felt too, even if in a totally different way.

it's hard to disagree with this; I'm with you wrt your feelings on Yield

5 stars -
dance
7 o’clock
never destination
retrograde

4 stars -
superblood
alright
long way
buckle up
comes then goes
river cross

3.5 stars
quick escape

3 stars -
who ever said

I know nobody likes it but the end of retrograde is pure Quadrophenia era who

the last 3 songs are half the length of backspacer

dimejinky99 wrote:I know nobody likes it but the end of retrograde is pure Quadrophenia era who

it was just given 5 stars in the post directly above you

dimejinky99 wrote:I know nobody likes it but the end of retrograde is pure Quadrophenia era who

I think most of us like the jam at the end, only the enlightened few like the whole thing