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lecherouslittlestump wrote: 10) The Things We Treasure Most

lecherouslittlestump wrote:PJ's facebook just linked an iTunes page to pre-order. It has the tracklist. Has this been posted?

1) Go Get 'Em
2) Mind Your Manners
3) Lightning Bolt
4) Catching Fire
5) Of The Earth
6) Sanctuary
7) Future Days
8) Sirens
9) Punch 'n' Judy
10) The Things We Treasure Most
11) Cosmos
12) Lit Up
13) Betterman (Live)

digster wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:
Count me as one who has trouble coming back here. This place has so much potential, man, it's a shame. Lots of really thoughtful and articulate people, really providing good critical review of the music and debate about it. But ...... just tons of BS and overwhelming negativity. I'm thinking of just syaing off for the new album release cause I don't want it to color how I listen to it. I want to listen to the album freely, and not be influenced. It's like a Debby Downer thing. I just want to feel the new music, and then I'll figure out where I stand on it. Taking one listen, and then posting some histrionic statement about how much I love it or or how much it sucks only ruins it for me. Imagine doing that for Vs way back when. I think things would have been different if there a message board during the early years.

I don't quite know how to say this in a good way, but I think you just need to have more confidence in your opinion. It's words on an Internet, and at some point in everyone's life, they're going to be in the minority opinion. I think Mankind is a fantastic song, and that sure isn't going to put me in the majority viewpoint. But I don't really think the fact that 90% of people would probably think I'm a doofus for feeling that way sway me; I think I see something in the song that others don't but realize they're coming from a valid viewpoint. If theskyiscrape.com has that much sway over your views on a song, how much would a one-on-one conversation in real life have?

That's why I think it a tad bit disingenuous when we talk about how it's the 'tone' of the posts here that drags it down a bit. It's that posters who are positive about the new material don't really like being in the minority. And if that's your viewpoint, okay, but let's call it that instead of trying to bury the lede.

Coach wrote:

lecherouslittlestump wrote:PJ's facebook just linked an iTunes page to pre-order. It has the tracklist. Has this been posted?

1) Go Get 'Em
2) Mind Your Manners
3) Lightning Bolt
4) Catching Fire
5) Of The Earth
6) Sanctuary
7) Future Days
8) Sirens
9) Punch 'n' Judy
10) The Things We Treasure Most
11) Cosmos
12) Lit Up
13) Betterman (Live)

That's gotta be a joke.

lecherouslittlestump wrote:

Coach wrote:

lecherouslittlestump wrote:PJ's facebook just linked an iTunes page to pre-order. It has the tracklist. Has this been posted?

1) Go Get 'Em
2) Mind Your Manners
3) Lightning Bolt
4) Catching Fire
5) Of The Earth
6) Sanctuary
7) Future Days
8) Sirens
9) Punch 'n' Judy
10) The Things We Treasure Most
11) Cosmos
12) Lit Up
13) Betterman (Live)

That's gotta be a joke.

I've got a screenshot that I'll upload. Should still be on the link that PJ posted on their FB (I tried to direct link it but I can't because it opens up iTunes...sorry not good with computers lol)

stip wrote:

digster wrote:

Tuolumne wrote:
Count me as one who has trouble coming back here. This place has so much potential, man, it's a shame. Lots of really thoughtful and articulate people, really providing good critical review of the music and debate about it. But ...... just tons of BS and overwhelming negativity. I'm thinking of just syaing off for the new album release cause I don't want it to color how I listen to it. I want to listen to the album freely, and not be influenced. It's like a Debby Downer thing. I just want to feel the new music, and then I'll figure out where I stand on it. Taking one listen, and then posting some histrionic statement about how much I love it or or how much it sucks only ruins it for me. Imagine doing that for Vs way back when. I think things would have been different if there a message board during the early years.

I don't quite know how to say this in a good way, but I think you just need to have more confidence in your opinion. It's words on an Internet, and at some point in everyone's life, they're going to be in the minority opinion. I think Mankind is a fantastic song, and that sure isn't going to put me in the majority viewpoint. But I don't really think the fact that 90% of people would probably think I'm a doofus for feeling that way sway me; I think I see something in the song that others don't but realize they're coming from a valid viewpoint. If theskyiscrape.com has that much sway over your views on a song, how much would a one-on-one conversation in real life have?

That's why I think it a tad bit disingenuous when we talk about how it's the 'tone' of the posts here that drags it down a bit. It's that posters who are positive about the new material don't really like being in the minority. And if that's your viewpoint, okay, but let's call it that instead of trying to bury the lede.

I think there is more to this than that Digster. Most of us are going to hear the album in the context of the RM conversation surrounding it. And that context colors that experience. Anyone who says otherwise is placing themselves in opposition to everything we know about mass/group psychology. RM being overly positive or negative will not fundamentally alter your experience, but it will shade it--especially at first.

Beyond that, there is also a question of just being respectful. This is over the top, perhaps, but it is easy to imagine how two people trying to have an intelligent conversation about the pros and cons of, say, Obamacare, would find that process more difficult with some idiot screaming Obama is Hilter every 5 minutes, or someone else interrupting by insisting that everyone spell America with a K. On a lesser scale you'll get that here with the negativity (you might get the opposite on the pit).

And finally, this is, first and foremost, a pearl jam forum, and they are in the process of releasing their first album in 4 years. That's an important event for a lot of people. This place would suck if everyone felt like they had to like it. But I think it is reasonable to realize that someone's negative experience is far more likely to do harm than someone's positive experience, and so the people who don't like stuff, during this window, should be mindful and respectful of that.

I'm not going to go back through this thread and highlight the difference between respectful and disrespectful opinions/criticism. I will assume until told otherwise that's a clear distinction.

EJ wrote:

lecherouslittlestump wrote:

Coach wrote:

lecherouslittlestump wrote:PJ's facebook just linked an iTunes page to pre-order. It has the tracklist. Has this been posted?

1) Go Get 'Em
2) Mind Your Manners
3) Lightning Bolt
4) Catching Fire
5) Of The Earth
6) Sanctuary
7) Future Days
8) Sirens
9) Punch 'n' Judy
10) The Things We Treasure Most
11) Cosmos
12) Lit Up
13) Betterman (Live)

That's gotta be a joke.

I've got a screenshot that I'll upload. Should still be on the link that PJ posted on their FB (I tried to direct link it but I can't because it opens up iTunes...sorry not good with computers lol)

There's nothing on iTunes to support this. It still has 12 tracks listed, 11 are blank, and MYM in the 2-spot.

lecherouslittlestump wrote: I've got a screenshot that I'll upload. Should still be on the link that PJ posted on their FB (I tried to direct link it but I can't because it opens up iTunes...sorry not good with computers lol)

EJ wrote: There's nothing on iTunes to support this. It still has 12 tracks listed, 11 are blank, and MYM in the 2-spot.

stip wrote:there's a lot of good people here.


Part of my problem is I still cling to this belief that the internet CAN and SHOULD hold itself to the conversational norms we'd use in real life.

EJ wrote:

lecherouslittlestump wrote: 10) The Things We Treasure Most

EJ wrote:

EJ wrote: There's nothing on iTunes to support this. It still has 12 tracks listed, 11 are blank, and MYM in the 2-spot.