Red Mosquito

Strat wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

digster wrote:
This is kind of what I meant before about "tying yourself in knots" trying to turn this EO into something it isn't. If you really want to, you can do it, but to say this EO is intended to help "identifying the most vulnerable populations and helping them first" is really in direct opposition with how its authors framed and sold it. That's the only point I was trying to raise.

Oh, sorry that was to address the why Christians are getting special treatment. I agree that overall this was "sold" as a Muslim ban. It's not, by any stretch of the imagination, but it carried that stench to it.


This sums up the reaction pretty well:

"Its not by any stretch of the imagination" really? You couldn't even imagine that this might be a muslim ban after all of trumps rhetoric? really? You cant possibly fathom such a thing?

Of even after Giuliani's quotes?

It doesn't apply to greater than 4 out of 5 Muslims on the planet, so no. I think Giuliani wishes it was. But it's not. It a ridiculous and rushed attempt at correcting the serious flaws in how we have been handling refugees and asylum seekers dressed up in old school 'fear of the other' to sell to his clown brigade.

The word "hysteria" getting thrown around to describe Trump's critics fits nicely with "cuck" and other terms that some of his supporters have adopted (see? my English degrees aren't worthless--close reading!).

wease wrote:

Strat wrote:

wease wrote:Am I the only one that can see protests against Trump turning into Kent?

Nope. But we're just being hysterical.

Give it time. Unfortunately, we'll be proven correct.

These things have a way of becoming self fulfilling prophecies.

i wonder how the global jewish media conspirators feel about all this

on the one hand, trump clearly supports the state of israel, bigly

on the other hand, he doesn't say "jews" on holocaust day

on the other hand, he is pushing around muslim immigrants

on the other hand, his key adviser is a white nationalist

on the other hand, his daughter is married to a jew

Simple Torture wrote:The word "hysteria" getting thrown around to describe Trump's critics fits nicely with "cuck" and other terms that some of his supporters have adopted (see? my English degrees aren't worthless--close reading!).

Like cuckold?

LoathedVermin72 wrote:The Oscars are going to be absolutely fucking unbearable this year

Oh man...and the whole oscars so white is going to be forgotten....Kudos to Trump!

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:The Oscars are going to be absolutely fucking unbearable this year

Haha yeah

Thats fine. I dont care. Make it annoying. Make it unbearable. Just dont shut up about mocking trump and putting out rallying cry's.

Yeah, a film awards show is the place for that, all right

All of it is the right place for it right now. C'mon LV. You can get behind that. The oscars already suck before any protest, might as well make it mean something.

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:The Oscars are going to be absolutely fucking unbearable this year

Haha yeah

Thats fine. I dont care. Make it annoying. Make it unbearable. Just dont shut up about mocking trump and putting out rallying cry's.

Yeah, a film awards show is the place for that, all right

All of it is the right place for it right now. C'mon LV. You can get behind that. The oscars already suck before any protest, might as well make it mean something.

Ugh no. The last place I want that kind of politicking is in art. I mean the Oscars are irreversibly garbage, sure, but further degradation doesn't help.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:The Oscars are going to be absolutely fucking unbearable this year

Haha yeah

Thats fine. I dont care. Make it annoying. Make it unbearable. Just dont shut up about mocking trump and putting out rallying cry's.

Yeah, a film awards show is the place for that, all right

All of it is the right place for it right now. C'mon LV. You can get behind that. The oscars already suck before any protest, might as well make it mean something.

Ugh no. The last place I want that kind of politicking is in art. I mean the Oscars are irreversibly garbage, sure, but further degradation doesn't help.

Interesting that you think of it as degradation. are there certain areas in life that protesting and speaking out are unacceptable?

Its fine if you do. Really. At this point in life - I feel like nothing should be off limits. Not right now.

the revolution will be televised

Strat wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

digster wrote:
This is kind of what I meant before about "tying yourself in knots" trying to turn this EO into something it isn't. If you really want to, you can do it, but to say this EO is intended to help "identifying the most vulnerable populations and helping them first" is really in direct opposition with how its authors framed and sold it. That's the only point I was trying to raise.

Oh, sorry that was to address the why Christians are getting special treatment. I agree that overall this was "sold" as a Muslim ban. It's not, by any stretch of the imagination, but it carried that stench to it.


This sums up the reaction pretty well:

"Its not by any stretch of the imagination" really? You couldn't even imagine that this might be a muslim ban after all of trumps rhetoric? really? You cant possibly fathom such a thing?

Of even after Giuliani's quotes?

An executive order, even one of Trump's is likely never to be as overt as "we're banning Muslims. Only Muslims. Just to be clear, we are practicing religious discrimination against Muslims." So if that's the rubric the standard of targeting Muslims is, then this doesn't pass that test. The Trump crew is likely not completely politically tone-deaf, and as they're currently learning more and more by the minute, targeting a group on the basis of religion doesn't play to the whole country as it does to his most die-hard base.

An executive order trying to achieve those ends, or at least hint at those ends, was never going to be so overt. Does this executive order 100 percent bar any Muslim from entering the U.S.? No, so I guess it's not a Muslim ban. But does the EO expressly attempt to inhibit Muslims from these affected countries enter the U.S.? I mean, yeah. It's chief architect and proponent has said as much.

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:The Oscars are going to be absolutely fucking unbearable this year

Haha yeah

Thats fine. I dont care. Make it annoying. Make it unbearable. Just dont shut up about mocking trump and putting out rallying cry's.

Yeah, a film awards show is the place for that, all right

All of it is the right place for it right now. C'mon LV. You can get behind that. The oscars already suck before any protest, might as well make it mean something.

Ugh no. The last place I want that kind of politicking is in art. I mean the Oscars are irreversibly garbage, sure, but further degradation doesn't help.

Interesting that you think of it as degradation. are there certain areas in life that protesting and speaking out are unacceptable?

Its fine if you do. Really. At this point in life - I feel like nothing should be off limits. Not right now.

I think politicking is, essentially, the enemy of art. Art should be profound and transcendent. Political squabbling is petty by comparison.

I'm all for protest and speaking out and all that. But art is sacred to me and I hate it when it is soiled by that stuff.

Not to say politics aren't an important piece of a lot of art, of course.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:The Oscars are going to be absolutely fucking unbearable this year

Haha yeah

Thats fine. I dont care. Make it annoying. Make it unbearable. Just dont shut up about mocking trump and putting out rallying cry's.

Yeah, a film awards show is the place for that, all right

All of it is the right place for it right now. C'mon LV. You can get behind that. The oscars already suck before any protest, might as well make it mean something.

Ugh no. The last place I want that kind of politicking is in art. I mean the Oscars are irreversibly garbage, sure, but further degradation doesn't help.

Interesting that you think of it as degradation. are there certain areas in life that protesting and speaking out are unacceptable?

Its fine if you do. Really. At this point in life - I feel like nothing should be off limits. Not right now.

I think politicking is, essentially, the enemy of art. Art should be profound and transcendent. Political squabbling is petty by comparison.

I'm all for protest and speaking out and all that. But art is sacred to me and I hate it when it is soiled by that stuff.

Can a beautiful piece of art be political in nature? Shouldnt art be one of the main forms of protest?If Kanye wrote a protest song......

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:The Oscars are going to be absolutely fucking unbearable this year

Haha yeah

Thats fine. I dont care. Make it annoying. Make it unbearable. Just dont shut up about mocking trump and putting out rallying cry's.

Yeah, a film awards show is the place for that, all right

All of it is the right place for it right now. C'mon LV. You can get behind that. The oscars already suck before any protest, might as well make it mean something.

Ugh no. The last place I want that kind of politicking is in art. I mean the Oscars are irreversibly garbage, sure, but further degradation doesn't help.

Interesting that you think of it as degradation. are there certain areas in life that protesting and speaking out are unacceptable?

Its fine if you do. Really. At this point in life - I feel like nothing should be off limits. Not right now.

I think politicking is, essentially, the enemy of art. Art should be profound and transcendent. Political squabbling is petty by comparison.

I'm all for protest and speaking out and all that. But art is sacred to me and I hate it when it is soiled by that stuff.

Can a beautiful piece of art be political in nature? Shouldnt art be one of the main forms of protest?If Kanye wrote a protest song......

See my last post.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:The Oscars are going to be absolutely fucking unbearable this year

Haha yeah

Thats fine. I dont care. Make it annoying. Make it unbearable. Just dont shut up about mocking trump and putting out rallying cry's.

Yeah, a film awards show is the place for that, all right

All of it is the right place for it right now. C'mon LV. You can get behind that. The oscars already suck before any protest, might as well make it mean something.

Ugh no. The last place I want that kind of politicking is in art. I mean the Oscars are irreversibly garbage, sure, but further degradation doesn't help.

Interesting that you think of it as degradation. are there certain areas in life that protesting and speaking out are unacceptable?

Its fine if you do. Really. At this point in life - I feel like nothing should be off limits. Not right now.

I think politicking is, essentially, the enemy of art. Art should be profound and transcendent. Political squabbling is petty by comparison.

I'm all for protest and speaking out and all that. But art is sacred to me and I hate it when it is soiled by that stuff.

Can a beautiful piece of art be political in nature? Shouldnt art be one of the main forms of protest?If Kanye wrote a protest song......

See my last post.

You just dont want to see it on tv at a pointless awards show?

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:The Oscars are going to be absolutely fucking unbearable this year

Haha yeah

Thats fine. I dont care. Make it annoying. Make it unbearable. Just dont shut up about mocking trump and putting out rallying cry's.

Yeah, a film awards show is the place for that, all right

All of it is the right place for it right now. C'mon LV. You can get behind that. The oscars already suck before any protest, might as well make it mean something.

Ugh no. The last place I want that kind of politicking is in art. I mean the Oscars are irreversibly garbage, sure, but further degradation doesn't help.

Interesting that you think of it as degradation. are there certain areas in life that protesting and speaking out are unacceptable?

Its fine if you do. Really. At this point in life - I feel like nothing should be off limits. Not right now.

I think politicking is, essentially, the enemy of art. Art should be profound and transcendent. Political squabbling is petty by comparison.

I'm all for protest and speaking out and all that. But art is sacred to me and I hate it when it is soiled by that stuff.

Can a beautiful piece of art be political in nature? Shouldnt art be one of the main forms of protest?If Kanye wrote a protest song......

See my last post.

You just dont want to see it on tv at a pointless awards show?

This has been a long process. The artistry of independent and arthouse and "serious" movies has been swallowed by liberal vanity and identity politics, and I absolutely see it as degradation. That is what I hate. Again, don't get me wrong: social awareness is crucial to great art. But a social agenda is often the death of it. And it has almost all become agenda and virtue.

A Trump fan wants nothing more than The Oscars devolving into a long protest circle jerk.

BurtReynolds wrote:A Trump fan wants nothing more than The Oscars devolving into a long protest circle jerk.

and fuck trump fans.