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Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed November 20, 2019 2:42 pm
by McParadigm

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed November 20, 2019 2:50 pm
by wease
So basically, the Republican controlled senate now says it's ok for a sitting US president, regardless of party, to use US aid to a foreign country in exchange for personal favors.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed November 20, 2019 2:58 pm
by McParadigm
That’s all that’s left to go with at this point.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed November 20, 2019 3:00 pm
by wease
If this does come up in a future administration, certainly this instance will be used as precedent.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed November 20, 2019 3:14 pm
by tragabigzanda
Sondland tying Pence to this is awful.

The party line response today will be “nothing to see here,” but they’ll start taking the temperature on their base immediately in battleground states. I expect this weeks hearingns will make a significant dent in the service member base. The bigger question is the constitutional/Tea Party set — will this be enough for them to abandon ship?

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed November 20, 2019 3:16 pm
by McParadigm
Republicans will be looking at any available option to avoid a senate trail if this testimony doesn’t get at least a little better for them.

They’ve clearly been killing time for the last two days, tossing out language that keeps their base from getting upset without actually defending (or trying to defend) anything at all. Hence the whole shitshow of asking people who were on the call and are confirming the whistleblower’s summary if they can help out the whistleblower.

Kentucky, Virginia, and Louisiana were red flag events. The whole reason they’re in this mess at all is because Trump knew he couldn't win an election and needed outside help...and now he’s made his chances even worse. Saving him is increasingly gainless, but openly ditching him would be catastrophic. They need an out.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed November 20, 2019 3:19 pm
by McParadigm
“Can you explain what you mean by this ‘continuum of insidiousness,’” the chair asks the opposition’s chosen witness.

What a day.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed November 20, 2019 3:19 pm
by tragabigzanda
McParadigm wrote:Republicans will be looking at any available option to avoid a senate trail if this testimony doesn’t get at least a little better for them.

They’ve clearly been killing time for the last two days, tossing out language that keeps their base from getting upset without actually defending (or trying to defend) anything at all. Hence the whole shitshow of asking people who were on the call and are confirming the whistleblower’s summary if they can help out the whistleblower.

Kentucky, Virginia, and Louisiana were red flag events. The whole reason they’re in this mess at all is because Trump knew he couldn't win an election and needed outside help...and now he’s made his chances even worse. Saving him is increasingly gainless, but openly ditching him would be catastrophic. They need an out.
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Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed November 20, 2019 3:23 pm
by McParadigm
A card that would have worked at any point before today. Shame they decided to stomp and bluster until it was too late.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed November 20, 2019 3:33 pm
by tragabigzanda
I feel that we’re a cunt’s hair away from launching a RICO investigation into Trump/Rudy.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed November 20, 2019 3:35 pm
by McParadigm
"He had to announce the investigations. He didn't actually have to do them, as I understood it." - Sondland

Good lord, is he going to leave them any cover?

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed November 20, 2019 4:01 pm
by epilogue

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed November 20, 2019 4:03 pm
by epilogue

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed November 20, 2019 4:10 pm
by McParadigm
Mr Nunes, it’s your turn

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Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed November 20, 2019 4:21 pm
by bune

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed November 20, 2019 4:27 pm
by McParadigm
Nunes uses his rebuttal time to bring up...the dossier...

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed November 20, 2019 4:28 pm
by McParadigm
And the whistleblower. :haha:

(see top of page)

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed November 20, 2019 4:33 pm
by Simple Torture
McParadigm wrote:Nunes uses his rebuttal time to bring up...the dossier...
These Hearings Essentially Prove Every, Every Time Anyone Pries Enough, Inevitably Something Really Egregious Actually Lands.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed November 20, 2019 4:40 pm
by McParadigm
Simple Torture wrote:
McParadigm wrote:Nunes uses his rebuttal time to bring up...the dossier...
These Hearings Essentially Prove Every, Every Time Anyone Pries Enough, Inevitably Something Really Egregious Actually Lands.
That post is golden.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed November 20, 2019 4:50 pm
by McParadigm
Ken Starr spending his morning on Fox News, detailing all of the possible impeachment angles he sees this testimony legitimizing.