Red Mosquito

it's a parent's job to provide a happy life for a child, exploring every possible option towards that end

Ms Harmless wrote:trans people have addressed "trans regret" over and over again

1% regret rate, compared to much higher in other situations

OK, but at what age did they transition, the people in this study? I’m only concerned for children because they tend to be unwise.

Ms Harmless wrote:it's a parent's job to provide a happy life for a child, exploring every possible option towards that end

I do not believe my job as a parent is to make my children the maximum level of happy. I believe my job is to help guide them to being responsible, fulfilled and who hopefully find deep purpose and meaning in their lives. Happiness is a fleeting thing.

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:trans people have addressed "trans regret" over and over again

1% regret rate, compared to much higher in other situations

OK, but at what age did they transition, the people in this study? I’m only concerned for children because they tend to be unwise.

yawn

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:trans people have addressed "trans regret" over and over again

1% regret rate, compared to much higher in other situations

OK, but at what age did they transition, the people in this study? I’m only concerned for children because they tend to be unwise.

yawn

So you were saying that children are just as wise as adults?

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:it's a parent's job to provide a happy life for a child, exploring every possible option towards that end

I do not believe my job as a parent is to make my children the maximum level of happy. I believe my job is to help guide them to being responsible, fulfilled and who hopefully find deep purpose and meaning in their lives. Happiness is a fleeting thing.

to me the latter is what happiness is, fearless self-awareness and fulfilment

I'm not talking about giving them all the candy and trips to Disney Land they ask for

the fact that you equate "fleeting happinesses" to being allowed to transition is the problem, and instead of becoming comfortable with the level of "transition" your kids might want or need, you're stuck on worst case (and mainly imaginary) scenarios

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:trans people have addressed "trans regret" over and over again

1% regret rate, compared to much higher in other situations

OK, but at what age did they transition, the people in this study? I’m only concerned for children because they tend to be unwise.

yawn

So you were saying that children are just as wise as adults?

that's not what I said

I am saying that kids are as capable as adults to know their own gender (and to be unsure of it, in which case they need well-informed guidance)

being trans is not a luxury you give to people, it's something they are whether you like it or not, and whatever you do / don't do about it

Ms Harmless wrote:being trans is not a luxury you give to people, it's something they are whether you like it or not, and whatever you do / don't do about it

I’m not sure it’s so clear in every case. But you are giving me things to think about.

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:being trans is not a luxury you give to people, it's something they are whether you like it or not, and whatever you do / don't do about it

I’m not sure it’s so clear in every case. But you are giving me things to think about.

I am sure

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:being trans is not a luxury you give to people, it's something they are whether you like it or not, and whatever you do / don't do about it

I’m not sure it’s so clear in every case. But you are giving me things to think about.

I am sure

What is your conviction based upon?

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:being trans is not a luxury you give to people, it's something they are whether you like it or not, and whatever you do / don't do about it

I’m not sure it’s so clear in every case. But you are giving me things to think about.

I am sure

What is your conviction based upon?

I live with and communicate with a support network of other trans people and organisations on a daily basis, across the globe; I'm very careful to make sure that what I say in here about us is solid and consensus-based

I might be one of "the angry ones", but that shouldn't undermine my specialised lens on our collective experience

of course, you can't say much that is true of everyone all of the time, but cis people are frequently free of that burden

the main thing I cling onto is that the assumption that someone is cis unless they communicate otherwise is untrue

We are *this* close to resolving the issue here on a tangentially Pearl Jam centric message board. Perhaps by page 100.

I'm not trying to "resolve" anything in here

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:trans people have addressed "trans regret" over and over again

1% regret rate, compared to much higher in other situations

OK, but at what age did they transition, the people in this study? I’m only concerned for children because they tend to be unwise.

14.5 average age . I just read the study in pubmed

knee tunes wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:trans people have addressed "trans regret" over and over again

1% regret rate, compared to much higher in other situations

OK, but at what age did they transition, the people in this study? I’m only concerned for children because they tend to be unwise.

14.5 average age . I just read the study in pubmed

Link?


This one: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35452119/

suggest desistance between 19-30%

This is why i've never had kids.