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Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Sat August 22, 2020 4:15 pm
by Monkey_Driven
bada wrote:Monkey_Driven wrote:4/5 wrote:Monkey_Driven wrote:4/5 wrote:Bammer wrote:I see that nobody disagrees with my assessment of D. Wade.
*Shrugs*
Overrated is always tough to argue. I can see an argument for Wade being overrated, but I think most people have him as tier 3 or 4 all-time player which feels about right. 3rd/4th best SG. Harden will probably/definitely pass him before long. Idk.
I'd probably choose Harden over Wade because of the longevity, but yeah, it's close.
I'm super biased both for Wade and
anti-Harden, but if Harden isn't already ahead of him he inevitably will be.
I don't like it but I know it's true.
Same.
I'd still have Wade ahead of Harden and maybe a few others. Harden really only plays one end of the court. He is improving a little bit but its still hard to have someone top three who can't play defense. Also like Steph he's very much a product of the new rules and that works great in the regular season but as the playoffs progress and the refs start to swallow their whistles it's not a surprise they falter. The hardest thing with an all time 2G lists is some of the old great white guys from the 70's whose position is ambiguous. Is Jerry West a PG or a 2G. What about Pistol Pete and Rick Berry or John Havlicek who didn't really have a position. Then you got George Gervin who put up Harden like numbers himself or the all time under appreciated Mitch Richmond. I always get bitter when all time 2G discussions start cause of Len Bias. Between him and Reggie Lewis the Celtics gave the 90s away.
Curry has been very good in the playoffs by pretty much any statistical metric. His size is the limitation in those end of game iso situations, not his ability.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Sun August 23, 2020 12:54 am
by bada
Lol Harden hiding at halfcourt....wanted no part of the last shot. Top 3 2G for sure.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Sun August 23, 2020 10:49 pm
by bada
I was all hyped about Luka's game winner until I got a gander at Cassidy Hubbarth's gams and forgot all about it.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon August 24, 2020 12:24 am
by Peeps
harden is a much better scorer than wade but he isnt even close on the defensive end.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon August 24, 2020 1:47 pm
by 4/5
Peeps wrote:harden is a much better scorer than wade but he isnt even close on the defensive end.
For sure. I think his offensive numbers will end up being so overwhelming that it'll become accepted wisdom that he's the third best SG ever. But when you compare him to the other top guys the lack of defense is pretty glaring.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon August 24, 2020 1:49 pm
by 4/5
That Luka game/shot was unreal. I can't believe how great he's been in this series.
Also, I've said it before but my only hope for the Clippers to not win the championship this year rested on Doc being Doc and Playoff P being Playoff P. They'll still probably win it all but those guys might give everybody a chance after all.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon August 24, 2020 3:27 pm
by Monkey_Driven
It's been amazing to watch Luka just pick apart the Clippers vaunted perimeter defenders.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon August 24, 2020 7:00 pm
by 4/5
Monkey_Driven wrote:It's been amazing to watch Luka just pick apart the Clippers vaunted perimeter defenders.
How did the Clippers end up with Reggie Jackson trying to guard Luka on that last shot? I realize that Luka ran around some screens before the ball got thrown in but man to have Kawhi (and PG as much as we all enjoy clowning him for getting game winners hit in his eye) off on Kleber and Curry is rough.
Which of the following best describes the final play of game 4?
a. Great play design by Carlisle
b. Horrible defensive call by Doc
c. some of (a) and (b)
d. Didn't matter, Luka is the GOAT
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon August 24, 2020 7:02 pm
by Monkey_Driven
4/5 wrote:Monkey_Driven wrote:It's been amazing to watch Luka just pick apart the Clippers vaunted perimeter defenders.
How did the Clippers end up with Reggie Jackson trying to guard Luka on that last shot? I realize that Luka ran around some screens before the ball got thrown in but man to have Kawhi (and PG as much as we all enjoy clowning him for getting game winners hit in his eye) off on Kleber and Curry is rough.
Which of the following best describes the final play of game 4?
a. Great play design by Carlisle
b. Horrible defensive call by Doc
c. some of (a) and (b)
d. Didn't matter, Luka is the GOAT
Switching everything defense ruined that play for the Clips. I'd go with a through d.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon August 24, 2020 7:06 pm
by 4/5
I'm confused as to why Jackson was even on the floor in that spot. My only rationale is that he had the quickness to stay with Curry.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon August 24, 2020 7:34 pm
by Monkey_Driven
4/5 wrote:I'm confused as to why Jackson was even on the floor in that spot. My only rationale is that he had the quickness to stay with Curry.
That would be my guess too. Really missing Beverly in those situations, but neither guy has the height to defend that stepback. Luka is huge.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon August 24, 2020 7:40 pm
by 4/5
Monkey_Driven wrote:4/5 wrote:I'm confused as to why Jackson was even on the floor in that spot. My only rationale is that he had the quickness to stay with Curry.
That would be my guess too. Really missing
Beverly in those situations, but neither guy has the height to defend that stepback. Luka is huge.
Do you know when big mouth is supposed to come back?
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon August 24, 2020 8:06 pm
by Monkey_Driven
4/5 wrote:Monkey_Driven wrote:4/5 wrote:I'm confused as to why Jackson was even on the floor in that spot. My only rationale is that he had the quickness to stay with Curry.
That would be my guess too. Really missing
Beverly in those situations, but neither guy has the height to defend that stepback. Luka is huge.
Do you know when big mouth is supposed to come back?
I do not. Though, I would not be surprised if Dallas gets another game in this series. Carlisle excels in these situations when he has an even somewhat decent roster.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon August 24, 2020 8:35 pm
by Monkey_Driven
Why are so many of these Thunder/Rockets games in the afternoon?
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon August 24, 2020 10:28 pm
by Bammer
How many courts do they play games on in the bubble? Has it all just been one court?
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon August 24, 2020 10:35 pm
by Monkey_Driven
Bammer wrote:How many courts do they play games on in the bubble? Has it all just been one court?
They started the play-in games with 3 courts. Now they are down to 2.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Mon August 24, 2020 11:16 pm
by Peeps
C.
that switch was horrible but i thought jackson recovered nicely and contested pretty well. great O beats great D almost all the time
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Tue August 25, 2020 12:23 am
by 4/5
Peeps wrote:C.
that switch was horrible but i thought jackson recovered nicely and contested pretty well. great O beats great D almost all the time
Yeah I don't blame Jackson, he did the best he could. I think he was much more worried about Luka going to the basket than hitting a 3.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Tue August 25, 2020 1:06 am
by Monkey_Driven
4/5 wrote:Peeps wrote:C.
that switch was horrible but i thought jackson recovered nicely and contested pretty well. great O beats great D almost all the time
Yeah I don't blame Jackson, he did the best he could. I think he was much more worried about Luka going to the basket than hitting a 3.
I had no bones with the individual defense. I just generally dislike the "switch everything" defensive strategy.
Re: NBA Thread
Posted: Wed August 26, 2020 12:43 am
by Electromatic
Monkey_Driven wrote:Why are so many of these Thunder/Rockets games in the afternoon?
Apparently the people really love watching the Blazers get blown out at night.