Red Mosquito

Bi_3 wrote:Also, get Hegseth the fuck outta there and let the adults work:

Bi_3 wrote:Ok, but what specifically can we do about it?

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:We have to fund Ukraine forever because they are in the right and America is responsible for the well being everyone on earth. We're bad people if we don't spend all our money taking care of everyone and fight the bad guys all over the planet. If we don't, we're Russian. If we aren't the world police to keep all these barbarians acting right, then they are doomed! It's our special burden.

While this is dripping with classic Burt facetiousness, even if we back off, we are also basically telling the Russians this is ok. Are you ok with that? I didn't take you for a commie, Burt. Also, if we back off and Russia movies further in to eastern europe, you still ok with not being the world police? Where is the line where you say "ok, maybe we should stop them before it gets too far out of control"?

I think if this war has taught me anything, it's that - win or lose - the Russian military is a joke with no hope of rolling into Europe. They've been exposed as a paper tiger, and their nosediving demographics aren't going to let them improve. I'd be more worried about china rolling into eastern Russia. I doubt Russia could do much to stop them.

I'm not ok with empires invading other countries, but at the same time, that doesn't mean we are responsible for stopping every aggressive invader on earth. If Europe is so worried about it, they can move some of their tax money over from their generous welfare programs (subsidized by the US military) and start spending on defense.

And I was kind of on the fence before the Iraq war. Finding out it was bullshit was wake up call. Were you for it?

Finding out it was bullshit was pretty much why i left the military

dimejinky99 wrote:Well it was the republicans gave the billions to the afghans to fight the Russians and that became the taliban so it’s all a weird distorted full circle forever war.
As long as the weapons manufacturers are getting paid who gives a shit about the human cost?

96583UP wrote:ruskies sending in their best negotiator diplomats for this. one with 50+ years experience. US likely outmatched with the Fox News staff at the tip of the spear. Need Ukraine to refuse and wait until adults are back in the oval office

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

96583UP wrote:ruskies sending in their best negotiator diplomats for this. one with 50+ years experience. US likely outmatched with the Fox News staff at the tip of the spear. Need Ukraine to refuse and wait until adults are back in the oval office

Yeah if Hegseth is our main negotiator, Ukraine stands no chance

Bi_3 wrote:Also, get Hegseth the fuck outta there and let the adults work:

After bringing together several European leaders, I have just spoken with President @realDonaldTrump and then with President @ZelenskyyUa.

We seek a strong and lasting peace in Ukraine. To achieve this, Russia must end its aggression, and this must be accompanied by strong and credible security guarantees for the Ukrainians. Otherwise, there is a risk that this ceasefire will end up like the Minsk agreements.

We will work on this together with all Europeans, Americans, and Ukrainians. This is the key.

We are convinced that Europeans must invest better, more, and together in their security and defense—both for today and for the future.

To this end, Europeans want to accelerate the implementation of their own agenda for sovereignty, security, and competitiveness. Work will continue based on the European Commission’s proposals, both in supporting Ukraine and in developing and investing in our defense. This agenda, defined in 2022 at the Versailles Summit, must simply be carried out. Decisions, actions, coherence. Quickly.

I will continue these discussions in the coming days.