Red Mosquito

I'm not saying that trans children in all cases should have access to every level of medical transition

I am saying, support their gender identities and create an environment in which they can safely and creatively express it

I am also saying let providers of trans heathcare determine which kids or teens need, and are ready for, trans healthcare, in collaboration with kids, teens and (where they are supportive) their parents

and I am saying, putting arbitrary age limits on autonomy and readiness for healthcare makes me uncomfortable

Ms Harmless wrote:I'm not saying that trans children in all cases should have access to every level of medical transition

I am saying, support their gender identities and create an environment in which they can safely and creatively express it

I am also saying let providers of trans heathcare determine which kids or teens need, and are ready for, trans healthcare, in collaboration with kids, teens and (where they are supportive) their parents

and I am saying, putting arbitrary age limits on autonomy and readiness for healthcare makes me uncomfortable

100% on board with this

someone tell Bammer we've resolved something

Sometimes I think my left hand is a girl.

inside you there are two hands

in all honesty though, if you genuinely think parts of your are feminine, you shouldn't be attacked for it

Wearing dresses adds +5 to your song writing and guitar playing skills. That's just a fact.

Spoiler: show

now you're talking

knee tunes wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

knee tunes wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:trans people have addressed "trans regret" over and over again

1% regret rate, compared to much higher in other situations

OK, but at what age did they transition, the people in this study? I’m only concerned for children because they tend to be unwise.

14.5 average age . I just read the study in pubmed

Link?


This one: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35452119/

suggest desistance between 19-30%

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33968550/

This says that of the 27 studies done involving 7,928 patients who had gender affirming SURGERIES, the regret rate was less than 1%. The study you linked involves the continuation of hormone treatment

Thanks for that. I'll take a look, but I suspect it's one Turban cites all the time which means it's mostly data dealing with adults from outside the US where the standard is "watchful waiting" (aka the 'Dutch Protocol') vs here where it's "affirmation first". WW is the superior approach and would naturally reduce regret because the gatekeeping to medicalised transition is much, much higher.

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I'm not saying that trans children in all cases should have access to every level of medical transition

I am saying, support their gender identities and create an environment in which they can safely and creatively express it

I am also saying let providers of trans heathcare determine which kids or teens need, and are ready for, trans healthcare, in collaboration with kids, teens and (where they are supportive) their parents

and I am saying, putting arbitrary age limits on autonomy and readiness for healthcare makes me uncomfortable

100% on board with this

Samesies

Ms Harmless wrote:in all honesty though, if you genuinely think parts of your are feminine, you shouldn't be attacked for it

Ok you either missed lenny’s joke or you’re trolling by acting like you missed it but really you didn’t

Anyway kudos lenny

Ms Harmless wrote:someone tell Bammer we've resolved something

Congrats to us!!

Bammer wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:in all honesty though, if you genuinely think parts of your are feminine, you shouldn't be attacked for it

Ok you either missed lenny’s joke or you’re trolling by acting like you missed it but really you didn’t

Anyway kudos lenny

I got that it was a joke about the ridiculousness of trans identity yeah

Ms Harmless wrote:

Bammer wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:in all honesty though, if you genuinely think parts of your are feminine, you shouldn't be attacked for it

Ok you either missed lenny’s joke or you’re trolling by acting like you missed it but really you didn’t

Anyway kudos lenny

I got that it was a joke about the ridiculousness of trans identity yeah

No . Lenny's hand IS his girl (friend) .

You're welcome Chud

knee tunes wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Bammer wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:in all honesty though, if you genuinely think parts of your are feminine, you shouldn't be attacked for it

Ok you either missed lenny’s joke or you’re trolling by acting like you missed it but really you didn’t

Anyway kudos lenny

I got that it was a joke about the ridiculousness of trans identity yeah

No . Lenny's hand IS his girl (friend) .

You're welcome Chud

oh shit! it's a wank joke! I didn't get a wank joke

strangely gender-affirming, thanks Lenny!

Bi_3 wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

tree_ wrote:Tommy I think you should consider some naked people are not comfortable around other naked people. They deserve respect too.

This is a good point. Individual shower and changing spaces is the most effective way to protect kids from discomfort in gym class.

This is the solution yes, gotta recognize that EE said something similar last page as well, but there is a lot of time and space between today and this, and there needs to be a balance between providing safe spaces for all kids (trans included!)

Contrast this with the worst "solution": https://www.ldnews.com/story/news/2023/ ... 135798007/

there are various evil "solutions" spreading across the US States as we speak, it's a scary time

just one example

https://www.businessinsider.com/florida ... ?r=US&IR=T