Red Mosquito

Ms Harmless wrote:

oneway23 wrote:Did you know that producers were triggering drum samples as early as 1992 for Dream Theater's Pull Me Under?

you're acting like I said it never happens or something

It was just a little joke comment, Harmless...certainly not intended as anything confrontational. Apologies

We aim to edify here, and, yes, listen to Dream Theater

oneway23 wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:I can feel the tide turning today. As much as I’d like to claim some ownership, I prefer to believe that with repeated listens others are starting to realize “Dammit Trag does kind of make my ears hurt.”

basically yes

Did you know that producers were triggering drum samples as early as 1992 for Dream Theater's Pull Me Under?

Andy Wallace used them all over Nirvana’s Nevermind, I think it began in the 80s.

We reach 100 pages!

I want to thank the jamily, obsession and my wife.

When Metallica's Death Magnetic came out, I listened to it in its entirety many times. Everybody always said the production was bad, it never bothered me. I'm sure DM's production won't bother me either. I hardly ever listen to music with headphones, and I don't own high quality speakers.

oneway23 wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

oneway23 wrote:Did you know that producers were triggering drum samples as early as 1992 for Dream Theater's Pull Me Under?

you're acting like I said it never happens or something

It was just a little joke comment, Harmless...certainly not intended as anything confrontational. Apologies

We aim to edify here, and, yes, listen to Dream Theater

I have; I'm not a fan

(also, production history facts aren't funny)

in any case, did the drum samples sound better when Dream Theater did them?

this sounds like a VH1 behind the music -- suck and all.

Ms Harmless wrote: (also, production history facts aren't funny)

Some of them are. Like did you know the engineer who recorded Whitney Houston "I Wanna Dance With Somebody" really over de-essed the vocal in the verses and kinda fucked it? He had to go through manually re-adding his own 'esses' back. If you listen closely you can kinda hear it

Ms Harmless wrote:do I have to enjoy Dream Theatre now?

good luck.

Jorge wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote: (also, production history facts aren't funny)

Some of them are. Like did you know the engineer who recorded Whitney Houston "I Wanna Dance With Somebody" really over de-essed the vocal in the verses and kinda fucked it? He had to go through manually re-adding his own 'esses' back. If you listen closely you can kinda hear it

you just saved this conversation, that IS funny

Birds in Hell wrote: Andy Wallace used them all over Nirvana’s Nevermind, I think it began in the 80s.

That's interesting...just read some about that, thank you!

Ms Harmless wrote: I have; I'm not a fan

(also, production history facts aren't funny)

That's alright about Dream Theater, acquired taste...I'll live

As for production facts...weeeeell, humor is in the eye of the beholder

If someone says "brick wall" I'm gonna... *shits a brick*

One week and prob 50 listens in. DM is still a very strong track. It’s glossy but that doesn’t bother me one bit. I’m able to isolate each instrument at any given time, and the guitars frankly sound better than in loads of other material. Matt’s drumming is powerful and additive - I don’t really give a rats ass that the snare sound isn’t ideal.

Truthfully, so much of their catalogue is filled with muddy production and indiscernible guitar parts that this bright (albeit glossy) production is refreshing. Binaural is a great album but sounds like it was recorded in the adjacent room. Always had a muffled sound to me. DM’s production and mix reminds me of SG and I love that. Ed avoids the temptation to push past his capability zone and so we don’t get any awkward vocal moments.

I find myself listening to the extended version someone here made. It’s just the right duration of segments and clocks in just shy of 4 min. I wish this had been the finished version but oh well.


Still 4/5. Not quite dance, but not too far behind and light years better than at least half their material since yield.

We're can I find a extended version.

I asked my friend Cass who is a multiple Grammy Award winning producer what he thought of the drum sound debacle. Specifically I asked if he thinks the drums are real. If you're interested in what a stranger to Pearl Jam who is very studio-knowledgeable has to say, this was his take:

Spoiler: show

ok having a listen

oh god that is a horribleeeee drum sound isn't it

first impressions are that that's the real snare, because it's so honky and ringy - if they were gonna fully replace they'd choose a way better one

One thing about rock drums is that they are like, inSANELY edited, quantized, moved around, crossfaded, leveled, copied around usually. Like I've never seen more editing than on rock/metal sessions... ever

sounds like the fill in the intro snare is copied over or some weird edit is happening there at least

i don't really know pearl jams' normal drum sound but this is very weird

it's like they've tried to go in between garagy noisy grunge and then modern punchy bring me the horizon stuff

and landed in shit territory

I'd blame the mixer more, first haha

so there's an interesting thing nowadays - in order to get that super punchy post paramore like extreme compression kinda radio metal sound, you can't really record cymbals and hats at the same time

cos then you can't compress the snare and toms and room as much as you need, or it's just nuclear

so often for these records they have to separately track hats and cymbals

but that squeezes the life out of a proper like chad smith kinda performance

but yeah, travis barker has popularized this very triggered, super tight, ultra compressed drum sound that sounds fat as hell, and rock and pop

and it makes old rock musicians feel weedy in comparison to the current landscape, so mixers do weird shit like this

tryna get eddie to sound like olivia rodrigo

Jorge wrote:I asked my friend Cass who is a multiple Grammy Award winning producer what he thought of the drum sound debacle. Specifically I asked if he thinks the drums are real. If you're interested in what a stranger to Pearl Jam who is very studio-knowledgeable has to say, this was his take:

Spoiler: show

ok having a listen

oh god that is a horribleeeee drum sound isn't it

first impressions are that that's the real snare, because it's so honky and ringy - if they were gonna fully replace they'd choose a way better one

One thing about rock drums is that they are like, inSANELY edited, quantized, moved around, crossfaded, leveled, copied around usually. Like I've never seen more editing than on rock/metal sessions... ever

sounds like the fill in the intro snare is copied over or some weird edit is happening there at least

i don't really know pearl jams' normal drum sound but this is very weird

it's like they've tried to go in between garagy noisy grunge and then modern punchy bring me the horizon stuff

and landed in shit territory

I'd blame the mixer more, first haha

so there's an interesting thing nowadays - in order to get that super punchy post paramore like extreme compression kinda radio metal sound, you can't really record cymbals and hats at the same time

cos then you can't compress the snare and toms and room as much as you need, or it's just nuclear

so often for these records they have to separately track hats and cymbals

but that squeezes the life out of a proper like chad smith kinda performance

but yeah, travis barker has popularized this very triggered, super tight, ultra compressed drum sound that sounds fat as hell, and rock and pop

and it makes old rock musicians feel weedy in comparison to the current landscape, so mixers do weird shit like this

tryna get eddie to sound like olivia rodrigo

how many grammy’s? because I wont click on a spoiler for any less than 3