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Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 08, 2015 12:20 pm
by Mecca
@SkitchP wrote:One thing that I really didnt get was that leading up to this, I was under the impression that the dragons were basically invincible, or damn near. Meanwhile, this biggest one seemed significantly slowed when it got hit by pointy sticks.
Carryover from other fantasy stories? I don't feel like the show made them out to be invincible, just very powerful creatures.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 08, 2015 12:26 pm
by jwfocker
Yeah the dragons are more of a shock and awe type. not invincible.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 08, 2015 12:38 pm
by @SkitchP
jwfocker wrote:Yeah the dragons are more of a shock and awe type. not invincible.

Im overstating I think. I just really didnt expect it to get seriously slowed by sticks. Frankly, the giants are more impressive in battle than the dragons then.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 08, 2015 12:39 pm
by Mecca
@SkitchP wrote:
jwfocker wrote:Yeah the dragons are more of a shock and awe type. not invincible.

Im overstating I think. I just really didnt expect it to get seriously slowed by sticks. Frankly, the giants are more impressive in battle than the dragons then.
Why Drogon didn't use more fire is beyond me

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 08, 2015 12:41 pm
by jwfocker
@SkitchP wrote:
jwfocker wrote:Yeah the dragons are more of a shock and awe type. not invincible.

Im overstating I think. I just really didnt expect it to get seriously slowed by sticks. Frankly, the giants are more impressive in battle than the dragons then.
Well they are motherfucking giants. better be awesome. but yeah I agree. They made Drogon a little too weak.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 08, 2015 1:15 pm
by doone
jwfocker wrote:
@SkitchP wrote:
jwfocker wrote:Yeah the dragons are more of a shock and awe type. not invincible.

Im overstating I think. I just really didnt expect it to get seriously slowed by sticks. Frankly, the giants are more impressive in battle than the dragons then.
Well they are motherfucking giants. better be awesome. but yeah I agree. They made Drogon a little too weak.
Drogon's still a baby. Give him time.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 08, 2015 1:42 pm
by spike
so khaleesi got away on her dragon, but aren't tyrion and company still surrounded by take no prisoners harpys? will they all of a sudden be just fine next week, or was that meant to be a cliffhanger and meereen won't be revisted until next season?

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 08, 2015 1:46 pm
by Monkey_Driven
doone wrote:
jwfocker wrote:
@SkitchP wrote:
jwfocker wrote:Yeah the dragons are more of a shock and awe type. not invincible.

Im overstating I think. I just really didnt expect it to get seriously slowed by sticks. Frankly, the giants are more impressive in battle than the dragons then.
Well they are motherfucking giants. better be awesome. but yeah I agree. They made Drogon a little too weak.
Drogon's still a baby. Give him time.
Still a kid and this was his first battle. It makes sense.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 08, 2015 1:51 pm
by Simple Torture
spike wrote:so khaleesi got away on her dragon, but aren't tyrion and company still surrounded by take no prisoners harpys? will they all of a sudden be just fine next week, or was that meant to be a cliffhanger and meereen won't be revisted until next season?
There are still 2 dragons in Mereen.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 08, 2015 1:51 pm
by Simple Torture
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Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 08, 2015 1:53 pm
by @SkitchP
Monkey_Driven wrote:
doone wrote:
jwfocker wrote:
@SkitchP wrote:
jwfocker wrote:Yeah the dragons are more of a shock and awe type. not invincible.

Im overstating I think. I just really didnt expect it to get seriously slowed by sticks. Frankly, the giants are more impressive in battle than the dragons then.
Well they are motherfucking giants. better be awesome. but yeah I agree. They made Drogon a little too weak.
Drogon's still a baby. Give him time.
Still a kid and this was his first battle. It makes sense.

First battle or not, my concern wasnt about fighting skill, it was about pretty unimpressive physical vulnerability. How did the Targaryen's takeover/unite Westeros with 3 dragons if just the most basic of weapons can slow them down. Hell, one well placed cannonball could probably kill the damn thing.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 08, 2015 1:54 pm
by Monkey_Driven
@SkitchP wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
doone wrote:
jwfocker wrote:
@SkitchP wrote:
jwfocker wrote:Yeah the dragons are more of a shock and awe type. not invincible.

Im overstating I think. I just really didnt expect it to get seriously slowed by sticks. Frankly, the giants are more impressive in battle than the dragons then.
Well they are motherfucking giants. better be awesome. but yeah I agree. They made Drogon a little too weak.
Drogon's still a baby. Give him time.
Still a kid and this was his first battle. It makes sense.

First battle or not, my concern wasnt about fighting skill, it was about pretty unimpressive physical vulnerability. How did the Targaryen's takeover/unite Westeros with 3 dragons if just the most basic of weapons can slow them down. Hell, one well placed cannonball could probably kill the damn thing.
I kind of get the feeling dragons don't land a whole lot in open field battle.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 08, 2015 1:57 pm
by spike
i didn't think drogon seemed too slowed after the spears, so not really sure what skitch is getting at.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 08, 2015 1:59 pm
by Strat
Monkey_Driven wrote:
@SkitchP wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
doone wrote:
jwfocker wrote:
@SkitchP wrote:
jwfocker wrote:Yeah the dragons are more of a shock and awe type. not invincible.

Im overstating I think. I just really didnt expect it to get seriously slowed by sticks. Frankly, the giants are more impressive in battle than the dragons then.
Well they are motherfucking giants. better be awesome. but yeah I agree. They made Drogon a little too weak.
Drogon's still a baby. Give him time.
Still a kid and this was his first battle. It makes sense.

First battle or not, my concern wasnt about fighting skill, it was about pretty unimpressive physical vulnerability. How did the Targaryen's takeover/unite Westeros with 3 dragons if just the most basic of weapons can slow them down. Hell, one well placed cannonball could probably kill the damn thing.
I kind of get the feeling dragons don't land a whole lot in open field battle.
I was mostly perplexed as to how a billion spears landed on drogon but they couldnt throw one at Khaleesi

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 08, 2015 2:02 pm
by Jorge
I've never seen an episode of this show, but sometimes I'll pop in and read a page or two of this thread. Watching Skitch debate a dragon's power and fighting skill has been fun.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 08, 2015 2:03 pm
by Jorge
Also, the dragon's name is... Drogon?

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 08, 2015 2:03 pm
by Mecca
@SkitchP wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
doone wrote:
jwfocker wrote:
@SkitchP wrote:
jwfocker wrote:Yeah the dragons are more of a shock and awe type. not invincible.

Im overstating I think. I just really didnt expect it to get seriously slowed by sticks. Frankly, the giants are more impressive in battle than the dragons then.
Well they are motherfucking giants. better be awesome. but yeah I agree. They made Drogon a little too weak.
Drogon's still a baby. Give him time.
Still a kid and this was his first battle. It makes sense.

First battle or not, my concern wasnt about fighting skill, it was about pretty unimpressive physical vulnerability. How did the Targaryen's takeover/unite Westeros with 3 dragons if just the most basic of weapons can slow them down. Hell, one well placed cannonball could probably kill the damn thing.
Dragons in battle would roast a large area. Aegon the Conquerer had a small army, but 3 fully grown dragons. See the Field of Fire http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Field_of_Fire

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 08, 2015 2:05 pm
by Mecca
theplatypus wrote:Also, the dragon's name is... Drogon?
The dragons are named after people in her life:
Her husband Drogo
Brother Viserys
Child Rhaego

Drogon
Viserion
Rhaegal

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 08, 2015 2:05 pm
by Kaius
A small arena isn't the best fight venue for a dragon, though it's not as if he didn't clear out a bunch of guys pretty quickly, but I was also surprised when the spears went in and it was obviously affected by them. Ride a dragon into open field battle and I think we have a BBQ.

Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

Posted: Mon June 08, 2015 2:06 pm
by Simple Torture
@SkitchP wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
doone wrote:
jwfocker wrote:
@SkitchP wrote:
jwfocker wrote:Yeah the dragons are more of a shock and awe type. not invincible.

Im overstating I think. I just really didnt expect it to get seriously slowed by sticks. Frankly, the giants are more impressive in battle than the dragons then.
Well they are motherfucking giants. better be awesome. but yeah I agree. They made Drogon a little too weak.
Drogon's still a baby. Give him time.
Still a kid and this was his first battle. It makes sense.

First battle or not, my concern wasnt about fighting skill, it was about pretty unimpressive physical vulnerability. How did the Targaryen's takeover/unite Westeros with 3 dragons if just the most basic of weapons can slow them down. Hell, one well placed cannonball could probably kill the damn thing.
There are technical answers, for sure: Balerion the Black Dread was much bigger and more powerful than Drogon, and he was just one of five dragons Aegon I brought over; those Targaryans had been riding dragons for generations, and Dany had yet (until last night) to figure out how to ride Drogon; and, as others have said, Drogon was young and foolish enough to land in an open field instead of circling high overhead and raining fire on everyone.

But from a narrative perspective, I think your reaction is what the showrunners were going for. Paired with last week's episode, everyone is imagining that the forces of ice (Others, wights) will eventually collide with the forces of fire (dragons); if dragons were damn-near invincible, that impending war would seem like an afterthought. Seeing a dragon be hurt by conventional weapons will add drama to what's coming next.