Red Mosquito

PHATJ wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:On my left chest. Takes up about the whole side of the chest

I've jerked off to it multiple times

Lol

Strat wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:On my left chest. Takes up about the whole side of the chest

I've jerked off to it multiple times

Oh to be the skeleton on the whole side of the chest.

eddie's voice sucks now, in part, because of how he sung this song in '98.. imo. total vocal chord shreddage.

and it was completely worth it

This is a top 3 song for me.

One of my favorites to play on guitar. Amazing music video and all around great tune. I love when Jeff's bass line comes in hearing it live. Too bad its ruined live now with the "oh woah oh oh, oh woah oh oh"

dprival78 wrote:eddie's voice sucks now, in part, because of how he sung this song in '98.. imo. total vocal chord shreddage.

and it was completely worth it

Ed could have preserved his voice if he wanted to. There are countless metal singers who have screamed their brains out every day for decades and haven't lost their vocal power at all.

I wonder how much of voice preservation comes down to choices and how much of it isn't just (un)lucky genetics or other factors. I know there's a "proper" way to sing and all that but it seems like most singers experience a loss in vocal ability as they age.

His smoking probably has a lot to do with it.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:There are countless metal singers who have screamed their brains out every day for decades and haven't lost their vocal power at all.

I feel like we need to look into the science behind this statement.

Kevin Davis wrote:I wonder how much of voice preservation comes down to choices and how much of it isn't just (un)lucky genetics or other factors. I know there's a "proper" way to sing and all that but it seems like most singers experience a loss in vocal ability as they age.

Geddy Lee being in the minority.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

dprival78 wrote:eddie's voice sucks now, in part, because of how he sung this song in '98.. imo. total vocal chord shreddage.

and it was completely worth it

Ed could have preserved his voice if he wanted to. There are countless metal singers who have screamed their brains out every day for decades and haven't lost their vocal power at all.

For a more direct comparison, Springsteen has been screaming for years (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5zcvl1HocA&t=10m50s or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv8XqIQZMjY&t=7m54s) and he still sounds great. Different, but still powerful.

Chris Cornell was able to come back from the dead vocal wise, so to speak. I hope EV can do the same.

lecherouslittlestump wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

dprival78 wrote:eddie's voice sucks now, in part, because of how he sung this song in '98.. imo. total vocal chord shreddage.

and it was completely worth it

Ed could have preserved his voice if he wanted to. There are countless metal singers who have screamed their brains out every day for decades and haven't lost their vocal power at all.

For a more direct comparison, Springsteen has been screaming for years (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5zcvl1HocA&t=10m50s or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv8XqIQZMjY&t=7m54s) and he still sounds great. Different, but still powerful.

Chris Cornell was able to come back from the dead vocal wise, so to speak. I hope EV can do the same.

Chris cares. Ed does not.

Just came here to see if Ruddo posted his new tat.

#blueballs

lecherouslittlestump wrote:For a more direct comparison, Springsteen has been screaming for years (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5zcvl1HocA&t=10m50s or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv8XqIQZMjY&t=7m54s) and he still sounds great. Different, but still powerful.

Sorry but Springsteen doesn't come anywhere close to doing stuff like Blood, Spin the Black Circle, Lukin, DTE, Comatose, Habit, etc.

I love Bruce but ask him to sing Blood night after night on an E Street tour. He'd be mute by now.

evenslow wrote:

lecherouslittlestump wrote:For a more direct comparison, Springsteen has been screaming for years (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5zcvl1HocA&t=10m50s or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv8XqIQZMjY&t=7m54s) and he still sounds great. Different, but still powerful.

Sorry but Springsteen doesn't come anywhere close to doing stuff like Blood, Spin the Black Circle, Lukin, DTE, Comatose, Habit, etc.

I love Bruce but ask him to sing Blood night after night on an E Street tour. He'd be mute by now.

lol. You think those are vocal shredders? Oh honey.

Greg? Puciato in 2004:
Greg? Puciato in 2016:

And his band tours WAY more extensively than PJ, and he has to sing song after song of screamed vocals like that. He still sounds amazing. Hasn't lost anything.

According to Wiki, that guy is fifteen years younger than Eddie -- give him time. That said, I would think extensive touring and performing would actually be to his advantage -- a guy who never lifts weights and arbitrarily attempts to bench press 300lbs. risks doing far greater permanent damage to his body than a guy who lifts weights several times a week and attempts the same thing. Sometimes sheer frequency of use doesn't tell the whole story.

I would also be curious to see some science on whether those hardcore/metal screams really are inherently more taxing on a singer's vocal cords than something like "Blood," or even "Adam Raised a Cain." Just because the music has harsher aesthetic limits doesn't necessarily mean that the vocal techniques are more demanding, and oftentimes I wonder if the fact that singers of Puciato's ilk aren't necessarily reaching for a specific pitch at the top of their range doesn't afford them some flexibility in how they employ the device. No real idea -- just a thought.

All right, here's an example of someone older who sings lower and more guttural:

1994:

2014:

The point is many singers are proof positive that you can preserve your voice if you take care of it (and yourself). Eddie's voice is shredded because of his own choices, not because he has a few scream-y songs in his repertoire.

Any effective singer, metal or not, is going to use their diaphragm instead of just vocal cords. If you're using the right technique (mostly diaphragm), it's relatively easy to sustain that death metal growl. They're also using false vocal cords, which makes it possible to sing like that w/o destroying your voice. So we're kind of comparing apples/oranges here.

The problem with Ed circa 93-95ish was it was all throat. That 95 tour especially he's just killing his voice. Good thing it was so short. Add cigarettes/booze to the mix and it's remarkable he sounds as good as he does now.

Regardless, I'm much more impressed by range, which is harder to sustain through the years.

Where the hell is Release_Me when you need him?