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Sorry guys, I'm just really stressed today because my mom is going into surgery for breast cancer, so I'm being a cranky dick.

JuanHamm wrote:Even his military service is suspect. He crashed multiple planes in training and almost got kicked out for partying (he only didn't because his parents stepped in)

Is Tommy Donald Trump?

McParadigm wrote:White House already has its flag back at full staff

JFC our president is a big baby

I can think of no better moment to demonstrate the lesson we should learn from McCain the political figure than the health care vote, and here’s why:

Everyone will remember the vote. I certainly will. I stayed up and watched it in real time. But what gets glossed over are the weeks and weeks of hesitant uncertainty that played out beforehand. John McCain, an old man dying of cancer, must have felt deep down in his soul that firebombing the healthcare social support system would be a death sentence to many others like himself. Otherwise his choice would have been easy.

Nevertheless, the pull of party loyalty was so strong that he hadn’t quite committed himself to vote against it even in the moment that the vote was due. People milled about nervously for endless minutes while he and a few others struggled to find the right language and receive the right assurances before voting. As a man he believed in honor and sacrifice in a way I never could. As a politician he was like watching an eternal struggle against the black hole gravity of partisanship. All the humanism, empathy, and honor in the world was just barely enough to convince a Republican senator dying of cancer not to deny cancer care to others.

It was that same loyalty conflict between honor and party that allowed him to recognize the danger of a Paul Manafort, but not Sarah Pailin. Or to stop short of saying the things he needed to say about Donald Trump. And I don’t mean any of this as a put down of John McCain, but rather as evidence of the gravity swell that happens when a political party cocoons itself in echo chambers and bad faith: anyone less than a John McCain is ultimately doomed to succumb to it.

The clerisy's feting of John McCain The Senator is a testament to the central roles access and likability play in obscuring uncomfortable realities - sheer economic illiteracy and a career marked by scandal, substantive legislative shortcomings, and one foreign policy misstep after another - to better shape perception.

He was the DC establishment. No wonder Democrats are such fans.

--- wrote:The clerisy's feting of John McCain The Senator is a testament to the central roles access and likability play in obscuring uncomfortable realities - sheer economic illiteracy and a career marked by scandal, substantive legislative shortcomings, and one foreign policy misstep after another - to better shape perception.

He was the DC establishment. No wonder Democrats are such fans.

In which of John McCains political junctures did your aggrievement become the lens in which you viewed such a nonpareil american?

--- wrote:The clerisy's feting of John McCain The Senator is a testament to the central roles access and likability play in obscuring uncomfortable realities - sheer economic illiteracy and a career marked by scandal, substantive legislative shortcomings, and one foreign policy misstep after another - to better shape perception.

He was the DC establishment. No wonder Democrats are such fans.

The "sheer economic illiteracy" statement could be made about virtually everybody on Capitol Hill. I'm not sure if you mean that he was bad even in comparison to fellow politicians? I do recall him seeming completely out of touch and confused in September 2008 as he flailed around suspending his campaign and whatnot...

Democrats probably don't mind him as much because he felt like a reminder of the good ol' days before party polarization devoured Congress. You know, when a guy could sponsor a bipartisan Democrat-leaning piece of legislation while perpetually advocating for more military at the same time.

McParadigm wrote:I can think of no better moment to demonstrate the lesson we should learn from McCain the political figure than the health care vote, and here’s why:

Everyone will remember the vote. I certainly will. I stayed up and watched it in real time. But what gets glossed over are the weeks and weeks of hesitant uncertainty that played out beforehand. John McCain, an old man dying of cancer, must have felt deep down in his soul that firebombing the healthcare social support system would be a death sentence to many others like himself. Otherwise his choice would have been easy.

Nevertheless, the pull of party loyalty was so strong that he hadn’t quite committed himself to vote against it even in the moment that the vote was due. People milled about nervously for endless minutes while he and a few others struggled to find the right language and receive the right assurances before voting. As a man he believed in honor and sacrifice in a way I never could. As a politician he was like watching an eternal struggle against the black hole gravity of partisanship. All the humanism, empathy, and honor in the world was just barely enough to convince a Republican senator dying of cancer not to deny cancer care to others.

It was that same loyalty conflict between honor and party that allowed him to recognize the danger of a Paul Manafort, but not Sarah Pailin. Or to stop short of saying the things he needed to say about Donald Trump. And I don’t mean any of this as a put down of John McCain, but rather as evidence of the gravity swell that happens when a political party cocoons itself in echo chambers and bad faith: anyone less than a John McCain is ultimately doomed to succumb to it.

I like this statement quite a bit.

Bi_3 wrote:

McParadigm wrote:I can think of no better moment to demonstrate the lesson we should learn from McCain the political figure than the health care vote, and here’s why:

Everyone will remember the vote. I certainly will. I stayed up and watched it in real time. But what gets glossed over are the weeks and weeks of hesitant uncertainty that played out beforehand. John McCain, an old man dying of cancer, must have felt deep down in his soul that firebombing the healthcare social support system would be a death sentence to many others like himself. Otherwise his choice would have been easy.

Nevertheless, the pull of party loyalty was so strong that he hadn’t quite committed himself to vote against it even in the moment that the vote was due. People milled about nervously for endless minutes while he and a few others struggled to find the right language and receive the right assurances before voting. As a man he believed in honor and sacrifice in a way I never could. As a politician he was like watching an eternal struggle against the black hole gravity of partisanship. All the humanism, empathy, and honor in the world was just barely enough to convince a Republican senator dying of cancer not to deny cancer care to others.

It was that same loyalty conflict between honor and party that allowed him to recognize the danger of a Paul Manafort, but not Sarah Pailin. Or to stop short of saying the things he needed to say about Donald Trump. And I don’t mean any of this as a put down of John McCain, but rather as evidence of the gravity swell that happens when a political party cocoons itself in echo chambers and bad faith: anyone less than a John McCain is ultimately doomed to succumb to it.

I like this statement quite a bit.

McP is better than all of us combined.

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