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Re: 232. Hail Hail vs. Daughter
Posted: Thu April 08, 2021 5:15 am
by Higgs
Said it before but I'd love to see Daughter win this whole thing.
Maybe next year.
Re: 232. Hail Hail vs. Daughter
Posted: Thu April 08, 2021 6:25 am
by Anders
Hail, Hail
What an amazing song.
Re: 232. Hail Hail vs. Daughter
Posted: Thu April 08, 2021 7:33 am
by PHATJ
I’m good with either one. Maybe more likely to listen to Hail Hail.
Re: 232. Hail Hail vs. Daughter
Posted: Thu April 08, 2021 9:36 am
by Anders
Absolutely two five star songs.
Re: 232. Hail Hail vs. Daughter
Posted: Thu April 08, 2021 10:26 am
by stip
I suspect this one is closer than the actual voting
Re: 232. Hail Hail vs. Daughter
Posted: Thu April 08, 2021 10:26 am
by stip
It has also always felt a little odd to me that Daughter is so much more well regarded in these parts than Small Town, given their similarities. It feels (to me) that if you love one you're pretty likely to love the other
Re: 232. Hail Hail vs. Daughter
Posted: Thu April 08, 2021 11:33 am
by Higgs
stip wrote:It has also always felt a little odd to me that Daughter is so much more well regarded in these parts than Small Town, given their similarities. It feels (to me) that if you love one you're pretty likely to love the other
I love both, just that I
really really love Daughter.
Re: 232. Hail Hail vs. Daughter
Posted: Thu April 08, 2021 11:56 am
by Birds in Hell
I don't think the songs are very similar at all, other than they have some acoustic guitars.
This is a tough round for me, as I think both are in the conversation for the band's very best song.
I don't really mind which wins.
Re: 232. Hail Hail vs. Daughter
Posted: Thu April 08, 2021 11:57 am
by Mike
I also love both but see enough difference in them to understand loving one and not the other. Daughter is way more of a typical Pearl Jam song that just happens to be acoustic. Elderly Woman feels more like an Eddie solo song. Daughter is riff based (A Pearl Jammy Stone riff!) and Elderly Woman is more of a traditional chord based song.
Daughter is closer to a rock song than an acoustic ballad. I can kind of imagine Daughter with (only) electric guitars.
Re: 232. Hail Hail vs. Daughter
Posted: Thu April 08, 2021 12:10 pm
by Chris_H_2
stip wrote:It has also always felt a little odd to me that Daughter is so much more well regarded in these parts than Small Town, given their similarities. It feels (to me) that if you love one you're pretty likely to love the other
They’ve never tagged Madonna’s Ray of Light with Elderly Woman though
Re: 232. Hail Hail vs. Daughter
Posted: Thu April 08, 2021 12:27 pm
by stip
and that explains why daughter is the more universally beloved
Re: 232. Hail Hail vs. Daughter
Posted: Thu April 08, 2021 1:15 pm
by VinylGuy
stip wrote:It has also always felt a little odd to me that Daughter is so much more well regarded in these parts than Small Town, given their similarities. It feels (to me) that if you love one you're pretty likely to love the other
I dont they are similar at all...i what sense? the acoustic guitars? Daughter is a super complex song, with a great use of the band's talents. It also has a fucking cool outro and a very cool country solo.
Small Town is more of a straightforward acoustic number.
Re: 232. Hail Hail vs. Daughter
Posted: Thu April 08, 2021 1:21 pm
by Mike
Genuine question: What makes Daughter super complex? Sounds pretty simple without that much variation to me.
Re: 232. Hail Hail vs. Daughter
Posted: Thu April 08, 2021 1:31 pm
by VinylGuy
well, maybe not super complex, but at the time it was a very different song for the band. Kinda reggae, kinda country. I love all the elements the band give, The acoustic guitar, the country solo, the upright bass....even the drums. And the outro is wonderful.
Re: 232. Hail Hail vs. Daughter
Posted: Thu April 08, 2021 1:57 pm
by tragabigzanda
I agree that Daughter has way more going on: alt tuning, funky strumming rhythm, lots of cymbal work, GREAT guitar solo that lifts the song up without losing its grounding, spooky outro.
Re: 232. Hail Hail vs. Daughter
Posted: Thu April 08, 2021 2:01 pm
by Strat
tragabigzanda wrote:I agree that Daughter has way more going on: alt tuning, funky strumming rhythm, lots of cymbal work, GREAT guitar solo that lifts the song up without losing its grounding, spooky outro.
Also a classic stone connecting riff!
That little ditty connecting the two guitar parts is fantastic.
Mike mentions how good stone is at that in PJ20. he's spot on.
Re: 232. Hail Hail vs. Daughter
Posted: Thu April 08, 2021 2:26 pm
by tragabigzanda
Strat wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:I agree that Daughter has way more going on: alt tuning, funky strumming rhythm, lots of cymbal work, GREAT guitar solo that lifts the song up without losing its grounding, spooky outro.
Also a classic stone connecting riff!
That little ditty connecting the two guitar parts is fantastic.
Mike mentions how good stone is at that in PJ20. he's spot on.
You mean before “she holds the hand”? Yeah that part is awesome, and fairly advanced pop/rock songwriting
Re: 232. Hail Hail vs. Daughter
Posted: Thu April 08, 2021 2:30 pm
by Strat
tragabigzanda wrote:Strat wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:I agree that Daughter has way more going on: alt tuning, funky strumming rhythm, lots of cymbal work, GREAT guitar solo that lifts the song up without losing its grounding, spooky outro.
Also a classic stone connecting riff!
That little ditty connecting the two guitar parts is fantastic.
Mike mentions how good stone is at that in PJ20. he's spot on.
You mean before “she holds the hand”? Yeah that part is awesome, and fairly advanced pop/rock songwriting
You bet, dude.
Re: 232. Hail Hail vs. Daughter
Posted: Thu April 08, 2021 4:49 pm
by Norah
Birds in Hell wrote:I don't think the songs are very similar at all, other than they have some acoustic guitars.
This is a tough round for me, as I think both are in the conversation for the band's very best song.
I don't really mind which wins.
Yeah Daughter is top tier and Small Town is boring.
Re: 232. Hail Hail vs. Daughter
Posted: Thu April 08, 2021 5:03 pm
by epilogue
I happen to love both songs and I probably rank Small Town higher but I also don't really think of them as similar songs.