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Re: Eddie Vedder - Dreams in Color (the San Diego Years)

Posted: Thu March 10, 2022 5:03 pm
by wease
Bad Radio had a song called I’m Alive?

Re: Eddie Vedder - Dreams in Color (the San Diego Years)

Posted: Thu March 10, 2022 6:34 pm
by liebzz
wease wrote:Bad Radio had a song called I’m Alive?
Amazing chorus (sarcasm): “I’m Alive! How’s that.”

Re: Eddie Vedder - Dreams in Color (the San Diego Years)

Posted: Thu March 10, 2022 8:15 pm
by Hypnos
Love means never having to explain your sarcasm, Liebzz.

Excellent comp!

Re: Eddie Vedder - Dreams in Color (the San Diego Years)

Posted: Thu March 10, 2022 8:36 pm
by Wendy Carlos's Twin
I'm very glad you were able to finish and release this, and the artwork is extraordinary...it immediately reminded me of this hahaha...

Image

Re: Eddie Vedder - Dreams in Color (the San Diego Years)

Posted: Thu March 10, 2022 11:12 pm
by ridleybradout
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:I'm very glad you were able to finish and release this, and the artwork is extraordinary...it immediately reminded me of this hahaha...
Thanks man! I tried to tread that fine line between garish and stylish :)

Re: Eddie Vedder - Dreams in Color (the San Diego Years)

Posted: Fri March 11, 2022 10:50 pm
by spike
wease wrote:Bad Radio had a song called I’m Alive?
Makes sense if you think about it.

Re: Eddie Vedder - Dreams in Color (the San Diego Years)

Posted: Sat March 12, 2022 2:32 pm
by liebzz
spike wrote:
wease wrote:Bad Radio had a song called I’m Alive?
Makes sense if you think about it.
How’s that.

Re: Eddie Vedder - Dreams in Color (the San Diego Years)

Posted: Sat March 12, 2022 10:07 pm
by XWayne
Thanks for this compilation, I had not listened to these songs for years !

By rediscovering them, I have noted that Better Man (track #16) sounded off pitch, and by checking with my guitar, it is not in regular pitch A440.
Some of the sources were apparently impacted by tapes being copied at incorrect speed back in the day (several early PJ bootlegs have a similar issue).

I have reviewed all tracks by playing along as other songs have a similar issue, and tried to adjust speeds in Audacity so the pitch is correct.
Here are the values I applied when I found out the pitch was incorrect. The values can be off by around +/- 0.5%, I have tried to find what sounds correct to my ears.
BAD RADIO - WHAT THE FUNK CASSETTE 89
07 - Believe You Me -> -2.5%
08 - I'm Alive -> -2.5%
The 2 other versions of Believe You Me are correct (the main chords of the verse are G and C). I'm Alive is a blues-based song in A.
BAD RADIO - TOWER RECORDS CASSETTE 89
10 - Better Man (Live) -> -1.5%
The pitch is a bit too sharp, a small speed decrease corrects it.
SOLO DEMO 88-89
13 - Homeless (Acoustic) -> +4.25%
14 - Just A Book -> +4.25%
15 - Sick O' Pussies -> +4.25%
16 - Better Man -> +4.25%
The pitch was quite impacted here, with the songs sounding more than a semitone too flat.
It is quite striking when listening to this version of Better Man, compared to the well-known PJ ones.
Homeless is off-key compared to the version on track #5.
For Sick O' Pussies, the bass plays some slapped E and A notes at the end, I have used it as reference.
And Just a Book confirmed that the same correction can be applied across the 4 tracks (verse chords F#m D, chorus with a bass progression starting from an open E string).
INDIAN STYLE DEMO
17 - Smooth Talkin' -> +2.5%
18 - Time -> +2.5%
19 - Daddy Could Swear, I Declare (Gladys Knight cover) -> -2.5%
The 2 Indian Style original songs are tricky, as we have no other reference to confirm their actual pitch. Based on the bass and guitar parts (and the use of riffs based on open strings for Smooth Talkin'), the pitch seems to be a bit flat, so a bit of speed increase is needed.
The original Daddy Could Swear song starts with a riff based on a E minor chord, so the correction (slow down) sets the cover to the correct pitch.
SOLO DEMO 88-89
20 - What A Wonderful World (Sam Cooke cover) -> +3.5%
21 - Something Inside So Strong (Labi Siffre cover) -> +3.5%
For the two last covers, I have sped up Something Inside So Strong to match the original key.
By applying the same speed correction on What a Wonderful World, it appears that Vedder had adapted the original chords (verse B G#m E F#) for his register 3 steps below (chords F Dm Bb C).
Fun fact: take the same chords 1 step higher (G Em C D) and you have Last Kiss.

I hope it helps. :)

Re: Eddie Vedder - Dreams in Color (the San Diego Years)

Posted: Sat March 12, 2022 11:33 pm
by Wendy Carlos's Twin
XWayne wrote:By rediscovering them, I have noted that Better Man (track #16) sounded off pitch, and by checking with my guitar, it is not in regular pitch A440.
Some of the sources were apparently impacted by tapes being copied at incorrect speed back in the day (several early PJ bootlegs have a similar issue).
Unfortunately, most audio people (even professionals) have no idea how to properly master an old cassette. The pitch and channel alignment are supposed to be the very first thing you check, before fixing the EQ and setting the noise reduction to "stun". But more often than not, they don't even bother with it. And so it goes.

Re: Eddie Vedder - Dreams in Color (the San Diego Years)

Posted: Wed March 16, 2022 12:11 am
by ridleybradout
Hey all, the audio has been updated thanks to XWayne (pitch) and Wendy Carlos's Twin (alignment) so please download the updated files.

The artwork has also been updated to correct the title of 'Wonderful World'.

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Re: Eddie Vedder - Dreams in Color (the San Diego Years)

Posted: Wed March 16, 2022 8:30 am
by joostone
ridleybradout wrote:Hey all, the audio has been updated thanks to XWayne (pitch) and Wendy Carlos's Twin (alignment) so please download the updated files.

The artwork has also been updated to correct the title of 'Wonderful World'.

DOWNLOAD NOW
Great work guys! I've updated the header!

Re: Eddie Vedder - Dreams in Color (the San Diego Years) UPD

Posted: Wed March 16, 2022 7:55 pm
by Leatherhead
Should send this to Eddie somehow.

Re: Eddie Vedder - Dreams in Color (the San Diego Years) UPD

Posted: Wed March 16, 2022 10:20 pm
by XWayne
:thumbsup: :D

Re: Eddie Vedder - Dreams in Color (the San Diego Years) UPD

Posted: Wed March 16, 2022 10:23 pm
by VinylGuy
¨ahh uhh those guys...i mean....the band has a internet forum...and a...they had these proyects...and they are cool pretty cool....and they did one with songs i did back in the day....and i listen to it and it was like...riding that wave again...so....this one is for them¨

And Pj plays Red Mosquito.

Re: Eddie Vedder - Dreams in Color (the San Diego Years) UPD

Posted: Sun April 03, 2022 2:02 am
by michaeldarren79
I've always loved Homeless. Would love to hear PJ record it sometime.

I see Eddie did a solo performance in 93'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FaWaCVh-Xg

Which song in this compilation did Eddie tag in a PJ show in recent years?

Thanks for the great compilation.

Re: Eddie Vedder - Dreams in Color (the San Diego Years) UPD

Posted: Tue April 05, 2022 6:06 pm
by Buby
michaeldarren79 wrote:Which song in this compilation did Eddie tag in a PJ show in recent years?
"Believe You Me"

Re: Eddie Vedder - Dreams in Color (the San Diego Years) UPD

Posted: Tue April 05, 2022 6:13 pm
by stip
Crossroads and Homeless were pretty good (it's been years). Believe you Me and Just a Book (distant ancestor of Sad) weren't too bad either.

Re: Eddie Vedder - Dreams in Color (the San Diego Years) UPD

Posted: Wed April 06, 2022 9:08 am
by joostone
stip wrote:Crossroads and Homeless were pretty good (it's been years). Believe you Me and Just a Book (distant ancestor of Sad) weren't too bad either.
Yeah, those are the four tracks that have potential. I would still enjoy a re-recorded EP for just those 4 tracks. Record them with the Earthlings and all should be good!

Re: Eddie Vedder - Dreams in Color (the San Diego Years) UPD

Posted: Sat September 10, 2022 6:08 am
by sico_pata
I can't find "Street Funky Man" in this compilation

Previous this excellent compilation I have 2 different boots "Eds demos", "One Step Back" and "Bad Radio SDP Demos" with some songs I have up to 3 versions to compare but there isn't exact between their

Thanks a lot for the work, it sound amazing and have a new color, very impressive

Re: Eddie Vedder - Dreams in Color (the San Diego Years) UPD

Posted: Sat September 10, 2022 7:07 am
by joostone
sico_pata wrote:I can't find "Street Funky Man" in this compilation

Previous this excellent compilation I have 2 different boots "Eds demos", "One Step Back" and "Bad Radio SDP Demos" with some songs I have up to 3 versions to compare but there isn't exact between their

Thanks a lot for the work, it sound amazing and have a new color, very impressive
Thanks! Those two boots you mention are the most spread for these songs. However not all tracks there have great quality. It still was the only source for that street fighting man cover I could find, therefore it wasn't included (also did fit ;) ). For most other song Ive selected better sources as a starting point.