Red Mosquito

tragabigzanda wrote:What’s the corollary between the KS abortion vote and red/blue results/voter turnout?

I haven’t seen that kind of information yet, but given 50% turnout and the state’s 15 point conservative advantage, I’d say it couldn’t go down this way without a lot of conservatives voting against the amendment.

I'd wager to guess the majority of states that have outlawed abortion would have similar results if they put it to a popular vote.

Sounds like leaving it up to the states was a great idea!

Here’s some comparisons of county-level voting and 2020 election votes:

Rural examples:
Hamilton County:
81 percent Republican in 2020
56 percent for the anti-abortion position yesterday

Greeley County:
85 percent R in 2020
60 percent anti-abortion yesterday

Urban (Kansas City):
Wyandotte County:
65 percent Dem in 2020
74 percent for abortion rights

Johnson County:
53 percent D in 2020
68 percent for abortion rights

That doesn’t look like one side experiencing a wave or a spike in support. That reads like only a fraction of the Republican party actually supported the effort, and they were outvoted 2:1 by basically everyone else.

In Kansas, there was hardly a contest to speak of. The "No" coalition -- which opposed a measure that would have removed abortion rights from the state constitution -- appears to be on track to win in a landslide. And it's no low-turnout fluke. The overall vote count on the amendment eclipsed 869,000 at around 1 a.m. ET.

That figure exceeded Kansas' general election turnout in the midterm year of 2010 and was approaching the 2014 total overnight. And overall primary turnout in the state two years ago -- in the midst of a presidential campaign -- clocked in at just over 636,000. In the 2018 midterm primary, the figure was lower: 457,598.

Interest in the ballot measure also heavily outweighed the other big statewide contests on Tuesday -- more than doubling the total votes cast in the Republican gubernatorial primary, won by Kansas Attorney General Derek Schmidt, according to a CNN projection, with about 350,000 votes as of early Wednesday morning.

Democratic turnout was even lower -- another sign that the abortion issue transcends party lines. Fewer than 250,000 voted in the party's Senate primary and only a few thousand more punched ballots for incumbent Democratic Gov. Laura Kelly, who faces an uphill battle to win a second term.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/03/politics ... index.html

Monkey_Driven wrote:I'd wager to guess the majority of states that have outlawed abortion would have similar results if they put it to a popular vote.

no shit

BurtReynolds wrote:Sounds like leaving it up to the states was a great idea!

Maybe not the best way, but the sentiment here may be right.

Rob wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Sounds like leaving it up to the states was a great idea!

Maybe not the best way, but the sentiment here may be right.

Which is to say let the people decide by majority rule? Not the politicians that get elected and then decide things however they feel?

Whether it's state-level or federally, it seems like politicians more so than ever longer no longer represent the people they say they do.

elliseamos wrote:

Rob wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Sounds like leaving it up to the states was a great idea!

Maybe not the best way, but the sentiment here may be right.

Which is to say let the people decide by majority rule? Not the politicians that get elected and then decide things however they feel?

Whether it's state-level or federally, it seems like politicians more so than ever longer no longer represent the people they say they do.

The difference being that state politicians' homes are within driving distance.

Of course, the poor pregnant woman who can't afford out of state travel is still in a pickle, so, yeah.

BurtReynolds wrote:

elliseamos wrote:

Rob wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Sounds like leaving it up to the states was a great idea!

Maybe not the best way, but the sentiment here may be right.

Which is to say let the people decide by majority rule? Not the politicians that get elected and then decide things however they feel?

Whether it's state-level or federally, it seems like politicians more so than ever longer no longer represent the people they say they do.

The difference being that state politicians' homes are within driving distance.

But they're still enacting laws that don't represent the majority of their state... as evidenced by this most recent abortion example. Which, for the most part, doesn't represent the majority of the country on many issues. So, like I said, once in office, many of these people are doing whatever they want/believe instead of what they're sent there to do as proxy.

It's nothing new, but it's interesting to see such a blatant example.

Coach wrote:Of course, the poor pregnant woman who can't afford out of state travel is still in a pickle, so, yeah.

yeah all two of em.

elliseamos wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

elliseamos wrote:

Rob wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Sounds like leaving it up to the states was a great idea!

Maybe not the best way, but the sentiment here may be right.

Which is to say let the people decide by majority rule? Not the politicians that get elected and then decide things however they feel?

Whether it's state-level or federally, it seems like politicians more so than ever longer no longer represent the people they say they do.

The difference being that state politicians' homes are within driving distance.

But they're still enacting laws that don't represent the majority of their state... as evidenced by this most recent abortion example. Which, for the most part, doesn't represent the majority of the country on many issues. So, like I said, once in office, many of these people are doing whatever they want/believe instead of what they're sent there to do as proxy.

It's nothing new, but it's interesting to see such a blatant example.

I totally get this sentiment, too. And I feel for the people Coach is referencing. But the dog caught the car, and I think the car is gonna bite the dog hard.

i have to say i'm proud of kansas today..i spent 4 years there in college and never really had anything good to say about the place as a whole..well done

doug rr wrote:i have to say i'm proud of kansas today..i spent 4 years there in college and never really had anything good to say about the place as a whole..well done

Lawrence is a cool town.

dad wrote:

doug rr wrote:i have to say i'm proud of kansas today..i spent 4 years there in college and never really had anything good to say about the place as a whole..well done

Lawrence is a cool town.

that it is..we played KU baseball the day after their basketball championship in 88..every member of their team was hungover..it was a good time

BurtReynolds wrote:

did you read about the text scam?