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Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions

Posted: Thu September 12, 2013 6:49 pm
by stip
bodysnatcher wrote:"Other Side" differs?

can someone confirm this?


We're not interested in logging in every place a song appears as much as where the different versions are.

Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions

Posted: Thu September 12, 2013 6:54 pm
by Jorge
You guys need to do this incorporating every live version.

Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions

Posted: Thu September 12, 2013 6:57 pm
by Kevin Davis
cutuphalfdead wrote:I remember when Lost Dogs came out a quote from Stone saying he liked one version of Strangest Tribe better than the other. I haven't compared them though so who knows.
He comments in the liner notes that he prefers the song on a CD rather than a 45, could that be what you're remembering?

Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions

Posted: Thu September 12, 2013 6:58 pm
by Norah
Kevin Davis wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:I remember when Lost Dogs came out a quote from Stone saying he liked one version of Strangest Tribe better than the other. I haven't compared them though so who knows.
He comments in the liner notes that he prefers the song on a CD rather than a 45, could that be what you're remembering?
Yep, that's what I'm thinking of. Are they actually any different though? I don't think it was rerecorded, but was it remastered or anything?

Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions

Posted: Thu September 12, 2013 7:00 pm
by Kevin Davis
The Wiki page seems pretty thorough in listing the discrepancies between versions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Dogs_%28album%29

Nothing for "Strangest Tribe."

Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions

Posted: Thu September 12, 2013 7:00 pm
by Norah
Interesting

Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions

Posted: Thu September 12, 2013 7:19 pm
by stip
okay, someone with access to both songs please give a listen.

Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions

Posted: Thu September 12, 2013 7:41 pm
by Norah
They're different. The 1999 45 version is a little faster. I aligned them in a multitrack session with one panned to the left and the other to the right, and aligned them so the opening lyrics start at the exact same time and they gradually drift out of alignment.

Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions

Posted: Thu September 12, 2013 7:50 pm
by Norah
Also, to get the opening line synced up the guitar playing before that is slightly out of time.

Here, listen. The left channel is the original and the right channel is Lost Dogs.


Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions

Posted: Thu September 12, 2013 7:53 pm
by Neo
Insignificance: Binaural (Brendan O'Brien mix); Nothing As It Seems single (Tchad Blake mix)

Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions

Posted: Thu September 12, 2013 7:54 pm
by Jorge
Same performance though, it sounds like. Could this be due to a difference in tape speeds and whatnot?

Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions

Posted: Thu September 12, 2013 7:58 pm
by Jorge
Or maybe one was Protooled for tempo correction and the other one wasn't. The performances appear to be identical.

Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions

Posted: Thu September 12, 2013 7:58 pm
by Norah
theplatypus wrote:Same performance though, it sounds like. Could this be due to a difference in tape speeds and whatnot?
Maybe, but if they came from the same performance they'd have the same master recording, right? Would the discrepancy then come from an analog transfer for one and then a different transfer for the other?

Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions

Posted: Thu September 12, 2013 7:59 pm
by Norah
theplatypus wrote:Or maybe one was Protooled for tempo correction and the other one wasn't. The performances appear to be identical.
I agree with you. The only difference is with the mastering (which might seem more different than it is because the original one is a vinyl transfer) and the speed.

Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions

Posted: Thu September 12, 2013 7:59 pm
by bodysnatcher
theplatypus wrote:Same performance though, it sounds like. Could this be due to a difference in tape speeds and whatnot?
That's what I was wondering. Maybe the vinyl version was ripped from a player that had a slightly off RPM?

Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions

Posted: Thu September 12, 2013 8:00 pm
by Norah
bodysnatcher wrote:
theplatypus wrote:Same performance though, it sounds like. Could this be due to a difference in tape speeds and whatnot?
That's what I was wondering. Maybe the vinyl version was ripped from a player that had a slightly off RPM?
:idea: :idea: :idea:

Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions

Posted: Thu September 12, 2013 8:00 pm
by Jorge
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions

Posted: Thu September 12, 2013 8:01 pm
by Norah
I do think the Lost Dogs version is mastered differently though.

Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions

Posted: Thu September 12, 2013 8:01 pm
by Norah
theplatypus wrote:¯\_(ツ)_/¯
derp

Re: The definitive list of pearl jam songs/versions

Posted: Thu September 12, 2013 8:12 pm
by bodysnatcher
theplatypus wrote:¯\_(ツ)_/¯
i laughed at that more than i should have