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Re: MM 2025 Finals: Hail Hail vs. Animal

Posted: Mon April 28, 2025 7:59 am
by LetMeSleep
Both great but it's Animal.

Re: MM 2025 Finals: Hail Hail vs. Animal

Posted: Mon April 28, 2025 10:32 am
by Anders
Jorge wrote:
stip wrote:and lets none of us fool ourselves into thinking that the hail hail riff holds a candle to animal
The "Hail Hail" riff is way more interesting. Has much more character to it. It's jagged, restless, and weirdly disorienting because there's no sense of key center (at least at first). That kind of harmonic ambiguity creates this anxious, unresolved feeling, like the riff is teetering on the edge of two keys but never committing. There’s a push and pull to it that never resolves cleanly, and feels like the song is constantly leaning forward, finally twisting into something sour. The "Animal" riff is much more traditional and diatonically in-the-box. There are things about "Animal" that are really cool -- I love how the chorus feels tightly wound and contained compared to the louder verses, and the way it fully unravels at the end is really satisfying -- but the main riff is whatever. I prefer the weird, crooked, unsettled energy of the "Hail Hail" riff.

Good final but "Hail Hail" gets my vote
Good post.

Re: MM 2025 Finals: Hail Hail vs. Animal

Posted: Mon April 28, 2025 11:08 am
by stip
He's wrong on the vote, but it was a good post. I wish I had the technical musical vocabulary to respond.

Re: MM 2025 Finals: Hail Hail vs. Animal

Posted: Mon April 28, 2025 11:26 am
by CopperTom
Have either of these songs won before?

Re: MM 2025 Finals: Hail Hail vs. Animal

Posted: Mon April 28, 2025 11:28 am
by stip
Hail Hail

Re: MM 2025 Finals: Hail Hail vs. Animal

Posted: Mon April 28, 2025 11:29 am
by Anders
Hail Hail is easily the best song. But I guess Animal will win on a pity vote, since it has never won before. Seems to be the way RM votes. Always wanting a virgin to get it.

Re: MM 2025 Finals: Hail Hail vs. Animal

Posted: Mon April 28, 2025 11:36 am
by Got Some
Higgs wrote:Animal. It's time.
X2

I would if voted Hail Hail is animal had won before

Re: MM 2025 Finals: Hail Hail vs. Animal

Posted: Mon April 28, 2025 11:39 am
by epilogue
Anders wrote:Hail Hail is easily the best song. But I guess Animal will win on a pity vote, since it has never won before. Seems to be the way RM votes. Always wanting a virgin to get it.
There is a tendency to vote that way. This matchup isn't that for me though. Animal is a far superior song.

Re: MM 2025 Finals: Hail Hail vs. Animal

Posted: Mon April 28, 2025 1:26 pm
by lvc
Animal at the tempo it has on the album (which I think they'd been trying to return to lately) has more balls than a chain gang.

Hail, Hail has more maturity, Jack Irons, and Stone dressed as a garbage man on Letterman.

This is actually a pretty tough call. But, you know, any song with the clout to knock off Strangest Tribe is a force to be reckoned with.

Re: MM 2025 Finals: Hail Hail vs. Animal

Posted: Mon April 28, 2025 1:59 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Anders wrote:Hail Hail is easily the best song. But I guess Animal will win on a pity vote, since it has never won before. Seems to be the way RM votes. Always wanting a virgin to get it.
This means if they stop making new music, Get Right will win this in about 50 years!

Re: MM 2025 Finals: Hail Hail vs. Animal

Posted: Mon April 28, 2025 2:18 pm
by Kevin Davis
Anders wrote:
Jorge wrote:
stip wrote:and lets none of us fool ourselves into thinking that the hail hail riff holds a candle to animal
The "Hail Hail" riff is way more interesting. Has much more character to it. It's jagged, restless, and weirdly disorienting because there's no sense of key center (at least at first). That kind of harmonic ambiguity creates this anxious, unresolved feeling, like the riff is teetering on the edge of two keys but never committing. There’s a push and pull to it that never resolves cleanly, and feels like the song is constantly leaning forward, finally twisting into something sour. The "Animal" riff is much more traditional and diatonically in-the-box. There are things about "Animal" that are really cool -- I love how the chorus feels tightly wound and contained compared to the louder verses, and the way it fully unravels at the end is really satisfying -- but the main riff is whatever. I prefer the weird, crooked, unsettled energy of the "Hail Hail" riff.

Good final but "Hail Hail" gets my vote
Good post.
Agree, right down to the vote

Re: MM 2025 Finals: Hail Hail vs. Animal

Posted: Mon April 28, 2025 5:02 pm
by Anders
Kevin Davis wrote:
Anders wrote:
Jorge wrote:
stip wrote:and lets none of us fool ourselves into thinking that the hail hail riff holds a candle to animal
The "Hail Hail" riff is way more interesting. Has much more character to it. It's jagged, restless, and weirdly disorienting because there's no sense of key center (at least at first). That kind of harmonic ambiguity creates this anxious, unresolved feeling, like the riff is teetering on the edge of two keys but never committing. There’s a push and pull to it that never resolves cleanly, and feels like the song is constantly leaning forward, finally twisting into something sour. The "Animal" riff is much more traditional and diatonically in-the-box. There are things about "Animal" that are really cool -- I love how the chorus feels tightly wound and contained compared to the louder verses, and the way it fully unravels at the end is really satisfying -- but the main riff is whatever. I prefer the weird, crooked, unsettled energy of the "Hail Hail" riff.

Good final but "Hail Hail" gets my vote
Good post.
Agree, right down to the vote
Yes, Hail Hail is easily the better song.

Re: MM 2025 Finals: Hail Hail vs. Animal

Posted: Mon April 28, 2025 5:08 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
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Re: MM 2025 Finals: Hail Hail vs. Animal

Posted: Mon April 28, 2025 6:44 pm
by epilogue
Everyone is entitled to their stupid opinions.

Re: MM 2025 Finals: Hail Hail vs. Animal

Posted: Mon April 28, 2025 7:25 pm
by Chris_H_2
let's be honest -- hail hail stands out so much because it's one of two bangers on an otherwise lowkey album. put it on vs and it gets lost.

Re: MM 2025 Finals: Hail Hail vs. Animal

Posted: Mon April 28, 2025 7:29 pm
by Jorge
It would probably be the best song on Vs (but it's not the best song on No Code)

Re: MM 2025 Finals: Hail Hail vs. Animal

Posted: Mon April 28, 2025 9:11 pm
by stip
ive got at least 6 songs on VS ahead if hail hail

Re: MM 2025 Finals: Hail Hail vs. Animal

Posted: Mon April 28, 2025 9:13 pm
by Monkey_Driven
Jorge wrote:
stip wrote:and lets none of us fool ourselves into thinking that the hail hail riff holds a candle to animal
The "Hail Hail" riff is way more interesting. Has much more character to it. It's jagged, restless, and weirdly disorienting because there's no sense of key center (at least at first). That kind of harmonic ambiguity creates this anxious, unresolved feeling, like the riff is teetering on the edge of two keys but never committing. There’s a push and pull to it that never resolves cleanly, and feels like the song is constantly leaning forward, finally twisting into something sour. The "Animal" riff is much more traditional and diatonically in-the-box. There are things about "Animal" that are really cool -- I love how the chorus feels tightly wound and contained compared to the louder verses, and the way it fully unravels at the end is really satisfying -- but the main riff is whatever. I prefer the weird, crooked, unsettled energy of the "Hail Hail" riff.

Good final but "Hail Hail" gets my vote
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Hail Hail is my vote as well

Re: MM 2025 Finals: Hail Hail vs. Animal

Posted: Mon April 28, 2025 9:17 pm
by The Argonaut
My vote is for Animal. It's a great song! Hard-charging

Re: MM 2025 Finals: Hail Hail vs. Animal

Posted: Mon April 28, 2025 9:19 pm
by epilogue
stip wrote:ive got at least 6 songs on VS ahead if hail hail
Let's see...

Small Town
Animal
Daughter
WMA
Dissident
RVM
Indifference
Hail Hail

I've got 7 above it, looks like.