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cutuphalfdead wrote:

aurynsdad wrote:

Strat wrote:Rumor has it that none of the PJ Albums are actually mastered for Vinyl and have the same sound you would get on the CD. That being said - I haven't heard Binaural on Vinyl so I suggest you send it to me so I can double check.


Thanks

Well, at least in the case of LB, it's clear that the mastering was done by different people (John Golden vinyl, Billy Joe Bowers cd). I don't know the deets on the other albums. I'll double-check Binaural for you when my vinyl copy arrives next week

It's about time we fully investigate this rumor. I've believed it for the most part since I don't hear much of a difference for most PJ albums between the two formats, including Binaural.

Backspacer also says the vinyl was mastered separately (Golden).

aurynsdad wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

aurynsdad wrote:

Strat wrote:Rumor has it that none of the PJ Albums are actually mastered for Vinyl and have the same sound you would get on the CD. That being said - I haven't heard Binaural on Vinyl so I suggest you send it to me so I can double check.


Thanks

Well, at least in the case of LB, it's clear that the mastering was done by different people (John Golden vinyl, Billy Joe Bowers cd). I don't know the deets on the other albums. I'll double-check Binaural for you when my vinyl copy arrives next week

It's about time we fully investigate this rumor. I've believed it for the most part since I don't hear much of a difference for most PJ albums between the two formats, including Binaural.

Backspacer also says the vinyl was mastered separately (Golden).

So did he do a shitty job? Or did he not have much to work with in the first place?

If you look at the loudness wars website, it certainly appears that there was different mastering done:

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/index.p ... order=desc

Note the generally better scores for vinyl releases.

aurynsdad wrote:If you look at the loudness wars website, it certainly appears that there was different mastering done:

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/index.p ... order=desc

Note the generally better scores for vinyl releases.

Yeah McParadigm linked to that a while back. I'm curious of their methods when it comes to getting the vinyl data.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

aurynsdad wrote:If you look at the loudness wars website, it certainly appears that there was different mastering done:

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/index.p ... order=desc

Note the generally better scores for vinyl releases.

Yeah McParadigm linked to that a while back. I'm curious of their methods when it comes to getting the vinyl data.

As far as i know from "homemade" rips. The website is a collection of user uploaded data obtained with the foobar plugin.

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cutuphalfdead wrote:

aurynsdad wrote:If you look at the loudness wars website, it certainly appears that there was different mastering done:

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/index.p ... order=desc

Note the generally better scores for vinyl releases.

Yeah McParadigm linked to that a while back. I'm curious of their methods when it comes to getting the vinyl data.

As far as i know from "homemade" rips. The website is a collection of user uploaded data obtained with the foobar plugin.

Yeah it's not very scientific.

No Code and Yield sound incredible as well as Lightning Bolt.

Backspacer certainly sounds the worst out of the ones I have. Vs and Vitalogy both sound great on vinyl.

From what I have:

No Code
Vitalogy
Vs
LB
Backspacer

Washington 98.

Thats a cool one.

No Code and Riot Act are definitely my favs on vinyl

bluestate wrote:No Code and Riot Act are definitely my favs on vinyl

Those are also the two best sounding PJ albums on other medium.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

bluestate wrote:No Code and Riot Act are definitely my favs on vinyl

Those are also the two best sounding PJ albums on other medium.

coincidence ?? i think not !!

bluestate wrote:No Code and Riot Act are definitely my favs on vinyl

Lighting Bolt has a mastering specially for vinyl and it does sound good.

LO2L sounds great on vinyl.

I haven't tested my PJ LP's across multiple speaker setups to really have a strong opinion. However, I don't find any of them to be greatly improved just by their vinyl pressing. S/T maybe, but I've now heard so many masters of that album that I don't know what to think anymore.

Backspacer is noticeably worse. But overall, I am happy with all the pressings of the albums up to S/T. I've probably played my Riot Act and Yield LPs the most.

I've gone off vinyl a bit in the last few years because its too hard to keep up when I'm discovering new albums every week. My collection was getting too big and hard to manage and I still look at them all and have trouble finding something I want to play. I've found just subtlety adjusting the EQ on iTunes etc. is better to get an album sounding good to your ears, rather than the format.

I used to get fooled by the Dynamic range DB. Even though the vinyl rips usually show a better DR average. The variance between the min and max are the same so the master is not really more dynamic, its just a lower volume. Of course, sometimes you can pick up a great vinyl pressing that is superior to digital.

I probably wont be picking up gigaton on LP which is a bit sad, but who knows.

coptheriotact wrote:I probably wont be picking up gigaton on LP which is a bit sad, but who knows.

I'm definitely not a completist, I've missed probably all of the rare/limited releases (RSD, Xmas, etc).
Yet I can't see me missing out on a full album in vinyl.

Trust me, folks. I've transferred all of the PJ albums up to Backspacer from the original vinyl and they all pretty much match the digtal versions, and any differences in dynamics are down to the vinyl transfer process. Anybody who thinks they are getting a "better" master is fooling themselves. The damage was already done before it reached the vinyl mastering stage.

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:Trust me, folks. I've transferred all of the PJ albums up to Backspacer from the original vinyl and they all pretty much match the digtal versions, and any differences in dynamics are down to the vinyl transfer process. Anybody who thinks they are getting a "better" master is fooling themselves. The damage was already done before it reached the vinyl mastering stage.

this is the real answer. not because i know have proof, but if we are to trust anyone about this, it's WCT. PJ on vinyl is just a romantic novel.

I’ve finally got all the Pearl Jam albums on vinyl now. Just waiting for a pre-ordered Gigaton, to complete the collection.

No Code
Vitalogy
Binaural