Red Mosquito

Thanks for doing this. I know it's probably a lot of work but I find it very interesting. And I think it could add some insight on RM's "true" feelings about certain albums, more so than a "rank the albums" thread.

Can the header post maybe get updated after the next round? It would be a nice quick reference

hlniv wrote:Can the header post maybe get updated after the next round? It would be a nice quick reference

Yeah, as soon as the first round is over, I'll update the header post.

Round 1 is complete! Here are the current standings:

Total Wins:

1. (2) B-Sides - 9 (+2)
2. (1) Vitalogy - 8 (+0)
2. (4) Yield - 8 (+3)
3. (3) No Code - 7 (+1)
3. (3) Binaural - 7 (+1)
4. (5) Vs - 6 (+2)
4. (3) Riot Act - 6 (+0)
4. (7) Pearl Jam - 6 (+4)
4. (5) Christmas Singles - 6 (+2)
5. (5) Ten - 5 (+1)
5. (4) Backspacer - 5 (+0)
5. (5) Lightning Bolt - 5 (+1)
6. (6) Lost Dogs - 4 (+2)
7. (7) Other - 3 (+1)
--. Demos/Leaks - 0
--. Live Covers - 0

A lot of movement in this round, with a brand-new #1! There were quite a few strong b-sides in this round, while Vitalogy really had nothing going for it besides "Pry, To." Yield registers its first loss...but it was "Hummus." I'm not even ranking Demos/Leaks + Live Covers anymore, and they'll be completely off these lists next round (neither have any left )

Win Percentage:

1. (1) Yield - 8-1-0.889
2. (5) Vs - 6-1-0.857
3. (2) Binaural - 7-2-0.778
4. (6) B-Sides - 9-3-0.750
5. (4) Vitalogy - 8-3-0.727
6. (7) No Code - 7-4-0.636
7. (8) Ten - 5-3-0.625
7. (3) Backspacer - 5-3-0.625
8. (11) Pearl Jam - 6-4-0.600
9. (10) Lightning Bolt - 5-4-0.556
10. (9) Riot Act - 6-6-0.500
11. (12) Lost Dogs - 4-7-0.364
12. (13) Christmas Singles - 6-15-0.286
13. (14) Other - 3-12-0.200
--. Live Covers - 0-2-0.000
--. Demos/Leaks - 0-15-0.000

This was fascinating--except for the #1 spot (which "Yield" still holds), everything else moved today. Vs. and S/T had the biggest rises (3 spots each) and poor Backspacer dropped the furthers (4 spots). Yield has been #1 in three straight rankings, but looks like it has some stiff competition in the first part of Round 2!

More of a side-note, but here's how many songs each album (or category) has left:

Yield - 12
Vs - 11
Vitalogy - 11
Binaural - 11
No Code - 10
B-Sides - 10
Riot Act - 10
Ten - 9
Other - 9
Pearl Jam - 8
Backspacer - 8
Lightning Bolt - 8
Christmas Singles - 6
Lost Dogs - 5

when something was an xmas single and a lost dog how are you counting it?

stip wrote:when something was an xmas single and a lost dog how are you counting it?

I think I addressed this earlier in the thread, but only songs that were first officially released on LD count as LD. So: All Night, Sad, Hitchhiker, Don't Gimme No Lip, In The Moonlight, Education, Hold On, Fatal, Brother, Bee Girl, and 4/20/02.

I guess you could argue "Brother" could've been listed as a demo/leak or an "other," too.

Simple Torture wrote:

stip wrote:when something was an xmas single and a lost dog how are you counting it?

I think I addressed this earlier in the thread, but only songs that were first officially released on LD count as LD. So: All Night, Sad, Hitchhiker, Don't Gimme No Lip, In The Moonlight, Education, Hold On, Fatal, Brother, Bee Girl, and 4/20/02.

I guess you could argue "Brother" could've been listed as a demo/leak or an "other," too.

Do we have different versions of Brother in this tournament? I'm too lazy to look.

After the first set of matches in Round 2:

Total Wins

1. Yield - 11
2. B-Sides - 10
3. Vs - 9
3. Vitalogy - 9
4. No Code - 8
4. Binaural - 8
5. Riot Act - 7
6. Ten - 6
6. Pearl Jam - 6
6. Lightning Bolt - 6
6. Christmas Singles - 6
6. Other - 6
7. Backspacer - 5
8. Lost Dogs - 4

Yield had a big set, and B-Sides stayed consistent.

Win Percentage:

1. Yield - 11-2-0.846
2. Vs - 9-2-0.818
3. B-Sides - 10-4-0.714
4. Binaural - 8-4-0.667
5. Vitalogy - 9-5-0.643
6. Ten - 6-4-0.600
7. Pearl Jam - 6-4-0.600
8. No Code - 8-6-0.571
9. Lightning Bolt - 6-5-0.545
10. Riot Act - 7-6-0.538
11. Backspacer - 5-5-0.500
12. Lost Dogs - 4-8-0.333
13. Other - 6-14-0.300
14. Christmas Singles - 6-15-0.286

Even with one loss, Yield stays strong at the top.

Weighted Wins:

1. Yield - 7
2. Vs - 6
3. B-Sides - 5.5
4. Vitalogy - 5
5. Binaural - 4.5
5. No Code - 4.5
6. Other - 4.5
7. Riot Act - 4
8. Ten - 3.5
8. Lightning Bolt - 3.5
9. Pearl Jam - 3
9. Christmas Singles - 3
10. Backspacer - 2.5
11. Lost Dogs - 2

A new category. Since so many of the Round 1 matches were blowouts, these rankings assign 1 point to wins and Round 2 and after, and just 1/2 a point for Round 1 wins. This will put some more distance between the albums that did well in Round 1 but are knocked out quickly after that.

Will you continue to weight? Like half point steps?

B wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

stip wrote:when something was an xmas single and a lost dog how are you counting it?

I think I addressed this earlier in the thread, but only songs that were first officially released on LD count as LD. So: All Night, Sad, Hitchhiker, Don't Gimme No Lip, In The Moonlight, Education, Hold On, Fatal, Brother, Bee Girl, and 4/20/02.

I guess you could argue "Brother" could've been listed as a demo/leak or an "other," too.

Do we have different versions of Brother in this tournament? I'm too lazy to look.

I checked. Sadly .. no instrumental Brother in this tournament.

stip wrote:Will you continue to weight? Like half point steps?

I don't think so, I figure from this point out there will be many more competitive matches. There have already been three matchups in Round 2 decided by 5 votes or fewer.

Simple Torture wrote:

stip wrote:Will you continue to weight? Like half point steps?

I don't think so, I figure from this point out there will be many more competitive matches. There have already been three matchups in Round 2 decided by 5 votes or fewer.

Actually, why not? I created a ranking system called "Super-Weighted Wins," in which each rounds' points total is increased by a .5 step (so Round 1=W*.5, Round 2=W*1, Round 3=W*1.5, etc.). This won't really make a difference until after Round 3, however, so I won't post it until then.

I'm not going to post in-depth standings until after the next round is over; it's just tons of typing! But once Round 2 is over, each album will get a nice update and I'll comment on its progress/regression. But for now, here's the raw standings:

Total Wins:

Yield - 12
Binaural - 12
Vitalogy - 11
No Code - 10
B-Sides - 10
Vs - 9
Riot Act - 8
Pearl Jam - 8
Other - 8
Ten - 6
Lightning Bolt - 6
Lost Dogs - 6
Christmas Singles - 6
Backspacer - 5

Win Percentage:

Yield - 12-3-0.800
Binaural - 12-4-0.750
Vs - 9-4-0.692
Vitalogy - 11-5-0.688
No Code - 10-6-0.625
B-Sides - 10-6-0.625
Pearl Jam - 8-5-0.615
Ten - 6-5-0.545
Riot Act - 8-8-0.500
Lightning Bolt - 6-7-0.462
Lost Dogs - 6-9-0.400
Backspacer - 5-8-0.385
Other - 8-14-0.364
Christmas Singles - 6-16-0.273

Weighted Wins:

Binaural - 8.5
Yield - 8
Vitalogy - 7
No Code - 6.5
Other - 6.5
Vs - 6
B-Sides - 5.5
Pearl Jam - 5
Riot Act - 5
Lost Dogs - 4
Ten - 3.5
Lightning Bolt - 3.5
Christmas Singles - 3
Backspacer - 2.5

Songs Left:

Yield - 10
Vitalogy - 9
Binaural - 9
No Code - 9
Vs - 8
B-Sides - 7
Riot Act - 7
Ten - 7
Pearl Jam - 7
Other - 7
Lightning Bolt - 5
Christmas Singles - 5
Backspacer - 3
Lost Dogs - 3

So far it seems the general RM consensus is that Vs thru Binaural is the strongest run in PJ's catalog, with Yield and Binaural head and shoulders above the rest... Ten, Riot Act and S/T are consistently lumped together in the 2nd tier of PJ albums... Backspacer is undeniably the caboose... and our new friend LB sits somewhere between the respectable 2nd tier cluster and the ostracized butt-end. Sounds about right to me.

I think it'll be interesting to see which albums fall out of the running next. It'd be fascinating if Ten dropped out before Avacado or Riot Act. I think the Final 4 may end up encompassing just two albums.

Just 1 day left in Round 2!

Total Wins:

1. Vitalogy - 14
1. Yield - 14
2. No Code - 12
2. Binaural - 12
3. B-Sides - 11
4. Vs - 10
5. Ten - 9
5. Riot Act - 9
5. Pearl Jam - 9
5. Other - 9
6. Backspacer - 6
6. Lightning Bolt - 6
6. Lost Dogs - 6
6. Christmas Singles - 6

Win Percentage:

1. Yield - 14-3-0.824
2. Vs - 10-4-0.714
3. Vitalogy - 14-6-0.700
4. Binaural - 12-6-0.667
5. No Code - 12-7-0.632
6. Ten - 9-6-0.600
6. Pearl Jam - 9-6-0.600
7. B-Sides - 11-9-0.550
8. Riot Act - 9-10-0.474
9. Lightning Bolt - 6-8-0.429
10. Backspacer - 6-9-0.400
10. Lost Dogs - 6-9-0.400
11. Other - 9-14-0.391
12. Christmas Singles - 6-19-0.240

Weighted Wins:

Vitalogy - 10
Yield - 10
No Code - 8.5
Binaural - 8.5
Other - 7.5
Vs - 7
Ten - 6.5
B-Sides - 6.5
Riot Act - 6
Pearl Jam - 6
Lost Dogs - 4
Backspacer - 3.5
Lightning Bolt - 3.5
Christmas Singles - 3

Songs Left:

Yield - 10
Vitalogy - 8
No Code - 8
Vs - 8
Binaural - 7
Other - 7
Ten - 6
Pearl Jam - 6
Riot Act - 5
B-Sides - 4
Lightning Bolt - 4
Lost Dogs - 3
Christmas Singles - 2
Backspacer - 2

Consider this unofficial, because it's a lot trickier to keep track of...but here are album vs. album records!



Reading it goes like this:

[Album From First Column] is xx-xx against [Album From First Row].

So Ten is 4-1 against Binaural. Lightning Bolt is 0-4 against Vitalogy. And so on.

There are some interesting bits buried in here. Yield and Vitalogy are tied for the most wins, but really neither of them have had many matches against the "Vitalogy through Binaural" set that has dominated so far. And even though its win total isn't impressive, Ten has been a Binaural killer so far.

Simple Torture wrote:Consider this unofficial, because it's a lot trickier to keep track of...but here are album vs. album records!



Reading it goes like this:

[Album From First Column] is xx-xx against [Album From First Row].

So Ten is 4-1 against Binaural. Lightning Bolt is 0-4 against Vitalogy. And so on.

There are some interesting bits buried in here. Yield and Vitalogy are tied for the most wins, but really neither of them have had many matches against the "Vitalogy through Binaural" set that has dominated so far. And even though its win total isn't impressive, Ten has been a Binaural killer so far.

Excellent work!