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B wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:The Philly debacle permanently ruined my appetite for new Pearl Jam. I've never seen a band fail so hard, and not get taken to task for it. The illusion was lifted, my 10 Club membership is a thing of the past, and I think that I am a better man for it.

So, for those of us not fully versed in all the Pearl Jam hate terminology ... what is "The Philly Debacle?"

Didn't they play around 40 songs on that last show? I remember closing down the spectrum was kind of a big deal at the time and rolling stone and billboard had articles praising the performances. What sucked about it?

oh boy

RIP Pearl Jam

SJM wrote:

B wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:The Philly debacle permanently ruined my appetite for new Pearl Jam. I've never seen a band fail so hard, and not get taken to task for it. The illusion was lifted, my 10 Club membership is a thing of the past, and I think that I am a better man for it.

So, for those of us not fully versed in all the Pearl Jam hate terminology ... what is "The Philly Debacle?"

Didn't they play around 40 songs on that last show? I remember closing down the spectrum was kind of a big deal at the time and rolling stone and billboard had articles praising the performances. What sucked about it?

Rolling Stone doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about. With a few exceptions here and there, the performances during those 4 shows were piss poor.

I thought it referred to the fact that Ed said they were going to play their whole catalog, and they didn't. And if they had not repeated songs, they easily could have. That annoyed me, but I wouldn't have called it a debacle. Certainly not, THE debacle.

B wrote:I thought it referred to the fact that Ed said they were going to play their whole catalog, and they didn't. And if they had not repeated songs, they easily could have. That annoyed me, but I wouldn't have called it a debacle. Certainly not, THE debacle.

But that would be a ridiculous thing to complain about.

The quality of the performance, on the other hand...

Birds in Hell wrote:

B wrote:I thought it referred to the fact that Ed said they were going to play their whole catalog, and they didn't. And if they had not repeated songs, they easily could have. That annoyed me, but I wouldn't have called it a debacle. Certainly not, THE debacle.

But that would be a ridiculous thing to complain about.

The quality of the performance, on the other hand...

Let's not start this again. The performance was not a debacle. These shows aren't nearly as poor as the goons make them out to be.

B wrote:

Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:The Philly debacle permanently ruined my appetite for new Pearl Jam. I've never seen a band fail so hard, and not get taken to task for it. The illusion was lifted, my 10 Club membership is a thing of the past, and I think that I am a better man for it.

So, for those of us not fully versed in all the Pearl Jam hate terminology ... what is "The Philly Debacle?"

i thought the same thing and am very curious

Parting Ways was excellent.

With a few exceptions, 2009 was a pretty mistake-addled touring year in general. The Philly shows certainly aren't exempt from this but I would agree that they don't necessarily deserve to be singled out as unprecedentedly poor. If memory serves the first and third nights are better than the second and fourth.

CopperTom wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

B wrote:I thought it referred to the fact that Ed said they were going to play their whole catalog, and they didn't. And if they had not repeated songs, they easily could have. That annoyed me, but I wouldn't have called it a debacle. Certainly not, THE debacle.

But that would be a ridiculous thing to complain about.

The quality of the performance, on the other hand...

Let's not start this again. The performance was not a debacle. These shows aren't nearly as poor as the goons make them out to be.

Oh, I didn't mean to, I don't really have a strong opinion either way on the matter. I haven't listened to those shows since they came out.

I really just wanted to point out that I thought anyone walking in literally expecting the band to play their entire catalogue, as if that's desirable or even possible, is quite obviously the architect of their own disappointment. I understand being annoyed at the band for an underwhelming performance that you've paid good money for but not something so patently ridiculous as the above.

Birds in Hell wrote:

CopperTom wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

B wrote:I thought it referred to the fact that Ed said they were going to play their whole catalog, and they didn't. And if they had not repeated songs, they easily could have. That annoyed me, but I wouldn't have called it a debacle. Certainly not, THE debacle.

But that would be a ridiculous thing to complain about.

The quality of the performance, on the other hand...

Let's not start this again. The performance was not a debacle. These shows aren't nearly as poor as the goons make them out to be.

Oh, I didn't mean to, I don't really have a strong opinion either way on the matter. I haven't listened to those shows since they came out.

I really just wanted to point out that I thought anyone walking in literally expecting the band to play their entire catalogue, as if that's desirable or even possible, is quite obviously the architect of their own disappointment. I understand being annoyed at the band for an underwhelming performance that you've paid good money for but not something so patently ridiculous as the above.

I wasn't singling you out. You aren't a usual suspect on this one.

Hey how do you guys think those Philly performances were

CopperTom wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

CopperTom wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

B wrote:I thought it referred to the fact that Ed said they were going to play their whole catalog, and they didn't. And if they had not repeated songs, they easily could have. That annoyed me, but I wouldn't have called it a debacle. Certainly not, THE debacle.

But that would be a ridiculous thing to complain about.

The quality of the performance, on the other hand...

Let's not start this again. The performance was not a debacle. These shows aren't nearly as poor as the goons make them out to be.

Oh, I didn't mean to, I don't really have a strong opinion either way on the matter. I haven't listened to those shows since they came out.

I really just wanted to point out that I thought anyone walking in literally expecting the band to play their entire catalogue, as if that's desirable or even possible, is quite obviously the architect of their own disappointment. I understand being annoyed at the band for an underwhelming performance that you've paid good money for but not something so patently ridiculous as the above.

I wasn't singling you out. You aren't a usual suspect on this one.

Phew!

Birds in Hell wrote:

B wrote:I thought it referred to the fact that Ed said they were going to play their whole catalog, and they didn't. And if they had not repeated songs, they easily could have. That annoyed me, but I wouldn't have called it a debacle. Certainly not, THE debacle.

But that would be a ridiculous thing to complain about.

The quality of the performance, on the other hand...

Well, no one's ever complained about ridiculous things on this board.

B wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

B wrote:I thought it referred to the fact that Ed said they were going to play their whole catalog, and they didn't. And if they had not repeated songs, they easily could have. That annoyed me, but I wouldn't have called it a debacle. Certainly not, THE debacle.

But that would be a ridiculous thing to complain about.

The quality of the performance, on the other hand...

Well, no one's ever complained about ridiculous things on this board.

Indeed, the members of RM are nothing if not measured and reasonable in their opinions.

To the original post, I saw a Hip show on this tour and while it was a well-played show for the most part, $140 for the top ticket for a 1hr 50min show isn't a great deal. Also, Gord Downie relied heavily on a teleprompter. I don't think PJ fans would be happy with any of this (although I realize EV also uses help with the lyrics).

Regarding the Philly shows, there was no debacle. I've seen the band 45 times and the third night is still one of my favourite shows. I also really liked the first show. The last night was in the lower tier of the shows I've seen but I've seen worse. I think the 2009/2010 shows are a bit underrated now because the bootlegs sound so bad.

TouringReg wrote:To the original post, I saw a Hip show on this tour and while it was a well-played show for the most part, $140 for the top ticket for a 1hr 50min show isn't a great deal. Also, Gord Downie relied heavily on a teleprompter. I don't think PJ fans would be happy with any of this (although I realize EV also uses help with the lyrics).

This is why Pearl Jam fans are awful. Their priorities are all out of whack.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

TouringReg wrote:To the original post, I saw a Hip show on this tour and while it was a well-played show for the most part, $140 for the top ticket for a 1hr 50min show isn't a great deal. Also, Gord Downie relied heavily on a teleprompter. I don't think PJ fans would be happy with any of this (although I realize EV also uses help with the lyrics).

This is why Pearl Jam fans are awful. Their priorities are all out of whack.

I don't know, I think ticket price compared to length of performance is a pretty solid priority. Unfortunately an unnecessary amount of time at PJ shows is dedicated to Ed's horrible stage banter now.

TouringReg wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

TouringReg wrote:To the original post, I saw a Hip show on this tour and while it was a well-played show for the most part, $140 for the top ticket for a 1hr 50min show isn't a great deal. Also, Gord Downie relied heavily on a teleprompter. I don't think PJ fans would be happy with any of this (although I realize EV also uses help with the lyrics).

This is why Pearl Jam fans are awful. Their priorities are all out of whack.

I don't know, I think ticket price compared to length of performance is a pretty solid priority. Unfortunately an unnecessary amount of time at PJ shows is dedicated to Ed's horrible stage banter now.

To the former - If you want to see Pearl Jam play an hour and 50 minute set with Ed using a teleprompter over the type of shows on the last leg of the tour then we certainly have different priorities.

To the latter - I agree the length of performance certainly matters. For example, there's no reason the Hip can't play 5-6 more songs for the price of the ticket. It's laziness really. What concert did you see this tour?