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Vs? flaw? you fucking philistines

BurtReynolds wrote:Dissident and GLorified G sitting in the middle, just waiting to suck.

completely agree. I still to this day skip these songs whenever they come on. 20 something odd years later.

Would've loved to have replaced one of these with Hard to Imagine.

The part where Stone comes in on backing vocals on Glorified G is one of the most dementedly fun moments of their career. Glorified G gets a pass in my book solely for that. It's a shame they don't utilize Stone's voice in that manner more frequently.

The flaws of Vs really mimic the flaws of the band in this era of their career. Vs should have been their Joshua Tree, the fact it wasn't is a shame. The world was waiting for the follow up to Ten. The sales were gonna be huge, but the story of Vs is that of the band. A album that resists it's self by a band that resist's it's self. I blame the alt/punk rock ethos of the time for this. It is not that they didn't try they did' and produced a really good album that could have been great had Ed not been paralized from all the B.S of the time. In someways we think Ed doesn't give a shit what people think, but I think at this point in his career he wanted to belong. So he did care what fellows like Stipe, Cobain, Young and so on and so on thought, and this made it hard for him to function as a songwriter.
I also hate the track list. So I listen to it like this
Indifference
Animal
Blood
Rats
Wma
Go
Daughter
Elderly Woman
Dissidents
Rvm

Lament wrote:The part where Stone comes in on backing vocals on Glorified G is one of the most dementedly fun moments of their career. Glorified G gets a pass in my book solely for that. It's a shame they don't utilize Stone's voice in that manner more frequently.

McParadigm wrote:

Lament wrote:The part where Stone comes in on backing vocals on Glorified G is one of the most dementedly fun moments of their career. Glorified G gets a pass in my book solely for that. It's a shame they don't utilize Stone's voice in that manner more frequently.

Mmhmm.

there's some nice outro work by Mike in GG as well.

Vs. always hovers just outside the top 4 or 5 for me, but I don't really think there's much wrong with it. Parts of it are a tad underwritten, particularly lyrically, but there's other aspects of their sound and personality they exploit here better than anywhere else to make up for the deficiency. It's not that they wrote bad songs here; they just wrote better ones elsewhere. I still love this record.

Lament wrote:The part where Stone comes in on backing vocals on Glorified G is one of the most dementedly fun moments of their career. Glorified G gets a pass in my book solely for that. It's a shame they don't utilize Stone's voice in that manner more frequently.

This would have been a cool thing to throw into Johnny Guitar if they had made that song longer.

Fun fact. Vs. is one of only two pearl jam albums where I like every single song.

Vs = Dave A = PJ record that made me a fan

Nuff said

Dave A is all over this album. As he is over Vitalogy. Man they were great.

i don't understand how drummer debates even happen. He so eclipses all the others for me

Lament wrote:The part where Stone comes in on backing vocals on Glorified G is one of the most dementedly fun moments of their career. Glorified G gets a pass in my book solely for that. It's a shame they don't utilize Stone's voice in that manner more frequently.

Totally agree. Hearing ''Glorified G'' live in St. Louis a few years ago was one of the most purely joyful moments of my concertgoing career.

stip wrote:i don't understand how drummer debates even happen. He so eclipses all the others for me

Jack was close.

Matt doesn't compare with either IMHO!!

4 albums in and he still sounds to scared to make to much noise

I agree with pretty much everyone who's saying that there isn't really a major flaw beyond some weak moments with song-writing and lyrics. There's great performances throughout, here. Sure, I place Vs. about smack in the middle when I rank the albums, but that's mostly because I no longer relate to much of it, and thus I hold about half the catalog in slightly higher esteem because I find them more "listenable" nowadays.

"Blood" and "Leash" are my least favorite tunes from the album, but I never really cared for them back when I first got into the record, either, so that's nothing new. "RVM" and "Glorified G" are my favorites. I get disliking the latter, because it's honestly pretty damn silly, but it's also quite fun, and well put together.

I love drummer debates! Well, I just like talking drumming in general. Drums are typically what I gravitate towards first with music, and yeah, Dave A. was pretty damn good. I prefer Jack, but Dave was close. Matt is meh with PJ, and great with SG. By "meh" I think he sounds sterile and robotic a lot of time, maybe even boring and out of place too. On the other hand, he has some really insanely great moments with PJ as well, but it's just not as consistently interesting as Dave A., and Jack were.

Oh, and I really dig Glorified G. It's fun with a nice groove to it. I like Rats too, I'd actually rather listen to Rats then Small Town or Indifference.

WMA is great too, I actually really like the 2008 version and I like the way Matt drums on it too.

didn't Ed suffer from some pretty bad writer's block during this album?

bodysnatcher wrote:didn't Ed suffer from some pretty bad writer's block during this album?

Take it to this thread pal:
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