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Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

Posted: Sun December 18, 2016 4:34 am
by wease
wease wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:Before Luke passes out from being cold on Hoth, he sees obi wan's force ghost who tells him to go see master yoda, the Jedi who instructed him. What about qui Gon?
Yoda taught the younglings before they were assigned to a master.
And Qui-Gon is dead. Yoda is not.

Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

Posted: Sun December 18, 2016 2:06 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
wease wrote:
wease wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:Before Luke passes out from being cold on Hoth, he sees obi wan's force ghost who tells him to go see master yoda, the Jedi who instructed him. What about qui Gon?
Yoda taught the younglings before they were assigned to a master.
And Qui-Gon is dead. Yoda is not.
I understand all of that but can't a dead Jedi still get some credit?

Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

Posted: Sun December 18, 2016 3:24 pm
by dimejinky99
You want them to do another special edition and drop his name in?

Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

Posted: Sun December 18, 2016 3:26 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
dimejinky99 wrote:You want them to do another special edition and drop his name in?
That would be nice, yes

Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

Posted: Sun December 18, 2016 4:46 pm
by lennytheweedwhacker
are there any plans for a qui gon origin story film?

Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

Posted: Sun December 18, 2016 4:50 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
lennytheweedwhacker wrote:are there any plans for a qui gon origin story film?
Maybe I'll get to it after I produce the Grievous stand alone

Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

Posted: Sun December 18, 2016 4:54 pm
by lennytheweedwhacker
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
lennytheweedwhacker wrote:are there any plans for a qui gon origin story film?
Maybe I'll get to it after I produce the Grievous stand alone
oh ok...let me know if you need any help

Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

Posted: Sun December 18, 2016 4:59 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
lennytheweedwhacker wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
lennytheweedwhacker wrote:are there any plans for a qui gon origin story film?
Maybe I'll get to it after I produce the Grievous stand alone
oh ok...let me know if you need any help
Yeah I might. I'm not as knowledgeable about him as I am Grievous

Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

Posted: Sun December 18, 2016 11:30 pm
by spike
wease wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
wease wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
wease wrote:Unless you compare it to the original movie of which it is a sequel. Then there is a pretty big line of dialogue that totally contradicts what was said before. And none of this "certain point of view" bullshit. Any student of his scripts and story up to that point has Vader and Father Skywalker as two separate people.

That said, it is still by far my favorite film of the franchise. Dagobah/Bespin Luke is the best character out of all of it.

You're loving Star Wars wrong. But it's ok. That's how you love it it's ok.
I'm not loving anything wrong. Just presenting facts and not drinking the Kool Aid.

You're dragging George's sketches of ideas into canon. That's a whole different thing. They aren't canon.
I never said they were. Old Ben Kenobi did. Then Vader turned him into a liar.

I'm not disputing what's canon and what's not. Vader is Luke's father. No denial here. But to suggest them being separate beings as a "sketch of an idea" is ludicrous and incredibly naive. Especially, when Ben's line from the first movie is taken into consideration.

You really need to read the books I've recommended before arguing that it was all some divine plan he adhered to from start to finish.
Who cares, it made for a better movie/trilogy/franchise.

Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

Posted: Mon December 19, 2016 12:47 am
by LoathedVermin72
"you really need to read the books," in any context, is the dumbest argument ever when we're talking about movies

Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

Posted: Mon December 19, 2016 12:47 am
by LoathedVermin72
it also makes you sound like an insufferable fanboy tool

Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

Posted: Mon December 19, 2016 1:08 am
by wease
spike wrote:
wease wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
wease wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
wease wrote:Unless you compare it to the original movie of which it is a sequel. Then there is a pretty big line of dialogue that totally contradicts what was said before. And none of this "certain point of view" bullshit. Any student of his scripts and story up to that point has Vader and Father Skywalker as two separate people.

That said, it is still by far my favorite film of the franchise. Dagobah/Bespin Luke is the best character out of all of it.

You're loving Star Wars wrong. But it's ok. That's how you love it it's ok.
I'm not loving anything wrong. Just presenting facts and not drinking the Kool Aid.

You're dragging George's sketches of ideas into canon. That's a whole different thing. They aren't canon.
I never said they were. Old Ben Kenobi did. Then Vader turned him into a liar.

I'm not disputing what's canon and what's not. Vader is Luke's father. No denial here. But to suggest them being separate beings as a "sketch of an idea" is ludicrous and incredibly naive. Especially, when Ben's line from the first movie is taken into consideration.

You really need to read the books I've recommended before arguing that it was all some divine plan he adhered to from start to finish.
Who cares, it made for a better movie/trilogy/franchise.
I never said it didn't.

Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

Posted: Mon December 19, 2016 1:10 am
by wease
LoathedVermin72 wrote:it also makes you sound like an insufferable fanboy tool
Maybe. I just like to read about what happens behind the scenes. Dime seems like a dude that would like that, too. Thought he might like to read them. What's wrong with that?

Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

Posted: Mon December 19, 2016 1:15 am
by LoathedVermin72
I should have been a better student of the scripts

Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

Posted: Mon December 19, 2016 1:49 am
by wease
LoathedVermin72 wrote:I should have been a better student of the scripts
Depends on your argument.

Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

Posted: Mon December 19, 2016 1:54 am
by LoathedVermin72
what if gerge write 12 episodes

Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

Posted: Mon December 19, 2016 1:56 am
by wease
LoathedVermin72 wrote:what if gerge write 12 episodes
?

Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

Posted: Sun January 15, 2017 5:38 pm
by VinylGuy
After Rogue One i decided to watch a new hope to see how they mashed together..and yesterday i felt like going for this one.

Man, such a beautiful movie. Every frame is gorgeous. The designs are amazing, every main character has an interesting arc, Vader is such a badass figure here..Luke, Han....this is a masterpiece in its own right.

Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

Posted: Sun January 15, 2017 5:56 pm
by dimejinky99
VinylGuy wrote:After Rogue One i decided to watch a new hope to see how they mashed together..and yesterday i felt like going for this one.

Man, such a beautiful movie. Every frame is gorgeous. The designs are amazing, every main character has an interesting arc, Vader is such a badass figure here..Luke, Han....this is a masterpiece in its own right.

Fanboism aside, it is consistently counted amongst the greatest films ever made for very good reasons. Those you mentioned and a great many more.

It's got absolutely everything.

Re: Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

Posted: Sun January 15, 2017 6:09 pm
by VinylGuy
yeah, i wasnt even thinking about the film as a Star Wars movie.

Its just a masterpiece.