Re: Song of the Moment: Help Help
Posted: Sat February 22, 2014 12:23 pm
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Song of the Moment: Help Help
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Re: Song of the Moment: Help Help
Posted: Mon February 24, 2014 4:05 pm
Is there a song with a more varied opinion of greatness/mediocrity/failure than this?
Not many PJ tunes where some rate 1 or 2 stars while others rate 5 stars.
Not many PJ tunes where some rate 1 or 2 stars while others rate 5 stars.
Re: Song of the Moment: Help Help
Posted: Mon February 24, 2014 6:10 pm
See almost every pearl jam song after Binauralhlniv wrote:Is there a song with a more varied opinion of greatness/mediocrity/failure than this?
Not many PJ tunes where some rate 1 or 2 stars while others rate 5 stars.
Re: Song of the Moment: Help Help
Posted: Mon February 24, 2014 6:38 pm
I was going to say pretty much everything after Riot Act, including most, if not all of Lost Dogs, would fit this description, but I think Stip's right.stip wrote:See almost every pearl jam song after Binauralhlniv wrote:Is there a song with a more varied opinion of greatness/mediocrity/failure than this?
Not many PJ tunes where some rate 1 or 2 stars while others rate 5 stars.
Re: Song of the Moment: Help Help
Posted: Mon February 24, 2014 7:39 pm
That's some pretty significant over-generalizing there.
I can't think of any other song where general opinions are this varied.
Stip - your opinion alone doesn't qualify. Just because you think Force of Nature is 5 stars and others think it blows doesn't count. It has to be more than just you.
The only tunes that are close to being this varied in general opinion(i.e. some would say 5 stars, others would say 1 or 2 stars) are -
Life Wasted
Marker in the Sand
The End
Infallible
I can't think of any other song where general opinions are this varied.
Stip - your opinion alone doesn't qualify. Just because you think Force of Nature is 5 stars and others think it blows doesn't count. It has to be more than just you.
The only tunes that are close to being this varied in general opinion(i.e. some would say 5 stars, others would say 1 or 2 stars) are -
Life Wasted
Marker in the Sand
The End
Infallible
Re: Song of the Moment: Help Help
Posted: Mon February 24, 2014 7:44 pm
hlniv wrote:That's some pretty significant over-generalizing there.
I can't think of any other song where general opinions are this varied.
Stip - your opinion alone doesn't qualify. Just because you think Force of Nature is 5 stars and others think it blows doesn't count. It has to be more than just you.
The only tunes that are close to being this varied in general opinion(i.e. some would say 5 stars, others would say 1 or 2 stars) are -
Life Wasted
Marker in the Sand
The End
Infallible
Gods' Dice
Evacuation
Big Wave
Sirens
Bugs
Leash
Mankind
Cropduster
Re: Song of the Moment: Help Help
Posted: Mon February 24, 2014 8:34 pm
Leatherhead wrote:hlniv wrote:That's some pretty significant over-generalizing there.
I can't think of any other song where general opinions are this varied.
Stip - your opinion alone doesn't qualify. Just because you think Force of Nature is 5 stars and others think it blows doesn't count. It has to be more than just you.
The only tunes that are close to being this varied in general opinion(i.e. some would say 5 stars, others would say 1 or 2 stars) are -
Life Wasted - 2
Marker in the Sand - 1
The End - 3.75
Infallible - 3.5
Gods' Dice - 3
Evacuation - 3
Big Wave - 2
Sirens - 2.75
Bugs - 2
Leash - 5
Mankind - 1.5
Cropduster - 4.5
Re: Song of the Moment: Help Help
Posted: Mon February 24, 2014 8:49 pm
Sirens
Re: Song of the Moment: Help Help
Posted: Mon February 24, 2014 8:51 pm
hlniv wrote:That's some pretty significant over-generalizing there.
I can't think of any other song where general opinions are this varied.
Stip - your opinion alone doesn't qualify. Just because you think Force of Nature is 5 stars and others think it blows doesn't count. It has to be more than just you.
The only tunes that are close to being this varied in general opinion(i.e. some would say 5 stars, others would say 1 or 2 stars) are -
Life Wasted
Marker in the Sand
The End
Infallible
We ran a whole series of threads exploring this on this on the previous RM. They're all saved there. Hell, I might have them archived in that stickied list.
I'm pretty reliable, I think, about differentiating between my own personal opinions and the general thrust of opinion on RM.
Re: Song of the Moment: Help Help
Posted: Mon February 24, 2014 8:57 pm
And here are the results. Somewhat arbitrarily, I went with there being a general consensus that a song was good if 75% of the thread said it was good or great, and bad if less than 25% said it was good or great. (the choices were good/great, average, below average)
Ten
Good/Great: 9 (once, even flow, alive, why go, black, jeremy, oceans, porch, release)
Bad: 0
No consensus: 2 (garden, deep)
Vs.
Good/Great: 8 (go, animal, daughter, w.a.a., reaerviewmirror, rats, small town, indifference)
Bad: 0
No consensus: 4 (glorified G, dissident, leash, blood)
Vitalogy
Good/Great: 10 (last exit, spin the black circle, not for you, tremor christ, nothingman, whipping, corduory, satan's bed, betterman, immortality)
Bad: 2 pry to, stupid mop
No consensus: 2 (bugs, aye davanita)
No Code
Good/Great: 8 (sometimes, hail hail, who you are, in my tree, smile, off he goes, red mosquito, present tense)
Bad: 2 (mankind, i'm open)
No consensus: 2 (habit, lukin, around the bend)
Yield
Good/Great: 10 (brain of j, faithful, no way, given to fly, wishlist, do the evolution, mfc, in hiding, lowlight, all those yesterdays)
Bad: 1 (Hummus)
No consensus: 3 (pilate, red dot, push me pull me)
Binaural
Good/Great: 7 (nothing as it seems, insignificance, of the girl, grievance, rival, sleight of hand, parting ways)
Bad: 0
No consensus: 5 (light years, breakerfall, thin air, god's dice, evacuation, soon forget)
Riot Act
Good/great: 4 (can't keep, i am mine, save you, 1/2 full)
Bad: 1 (get right)
No consensus: 10 love boat captain, cropduster, ghost, thumbing my way, you are, green disease, help help, bushleaguer, arc, all or none)
S/T
Good/great: 1 (comatose)
Bad: 2 (inside job, gone)
No consensus: 10 (life wasted, world wide suicide, severed hand, marker in the sand, parachutes, unemployable, big wave, wasted reprise, army reserve, come back)
Backspacer
Good/great: 1 (got some)
No consensus: 6 (gonna see my friend, johnny guitar, just breathe, unthought known, force of nature, the end)
Bad: 4 (the fixer, amongst the waves, supersonic, speed of sound
Re: Song of the Moment: Help Help
Posted: Mon February 24, 2014 8:58 pm
so actually, once we even get to Binaural things start to fall apart a bit.
Re: Song of the Moment: Help Help
Posted: Mon February 24, 2014 9:58 pm
Don't think anyone's giving any of those a 5 except for maybe Cropduster. That one should be included in the list.gardenparty wrote:Leatherhead wrote:hlniv wrote:That's some pretty significant over-generalizing there.
I can't think of any other song where general opinions are this varied.
Stip - your opinion alone doesn't qualify. Just because you think Force of Nature is 5 stars and others think it blows doesn't count. It has to be more than just you.
The only tunes that are close to being this varied in general opinion(i.e. some would say 5 stars, others would say 1 or 2 stars) are -
Life Wasted - 2
Marker in the Sand - 1
The End - 3.75
Infallible - 3.5
Gods' Dice - 3
Evacuation - 3
Big Wave - 2
Sirens - 2.75
Bugs - 2
Leash - 5
Mankind - 1.5
Cropduster - 4.5
Re: Song of the Moment: Help Help
Posted: Mon February 24, 2014 10:03 pm
Evacuation is definitely a 5.
It's a 6.
It's a 6.
Re: Song of the Moment: Help Help
Posted: Mon February 24, 2014 10:10 pm
This is a bit different than my hypothesis.stip wrote:And here are the results. Somewhat arbitrarily, I went with there being a general consensus that a song was good if 75% of the thread said it was good or great, and bad if less than 25% said it was good or great. (the choices were good/great, average, below average)
Ten
Good/Great: 9 (once, even flow, alive, why go, black, jeremy, oceans, porch, release)
Bad: 0
No consensus: 2 (garden, deep)
Vs.
Good/Great: 8 (go, animal, daughter, w.a.a., reaerviewmirror, rats, small town, indifference)
Bad: 0
No consensus: 4 (glorified G, dissident, leash, blood)
Vitalogy
Good/Great: 10 (last exit, spin the black circle, not for you, tremor christ, nothingman, whipping, corduory, satan's bed, betterman, immortality)
Bad: 2 pry to, stupid mop
No consensus: 2 (bugs, aye davanita)
No Code
Good/Great: 8 (sometimes, hail hail, who you are, in my tree, smile, off he goes, red mosquito, present tense)
Bad: 2 (mankind, i'm open)
No consensus: 2 (habit, lukin, around the bend)
Yield
Good/Great: 10 (brain of j, faithful, no way, given to fly, wishlist, do the evolution, mfc, in hiding, lowlight, all those yesterdays)
Bad: 1 (Hummus)
No consensus: 3 (pilate, red dot, push me pull me)
Binaural
Good/Great: 7 (nothing as it seems, insignificance, of the girl, grievance, rival, sleight of hand, parting ways)
Bad: 0
No consensus: 5 (light years, breakerfall, thin air, god's dice, evacuation, soon forget)
Riot Act
Good/great: 4 (can't keep, i am mine, save you, 1/2 full)
Bad: 1 (get right)
No consensus: 10 love boat captain, cropduster, ghost, thumbing my way, you are, green disease, help help, bushleaguer, arc, all or none)
S/T
Good/great: 1 (comatose)
Bad: 2 (inside job, gone)
No consensus: 10 (life wasted, world wide suicide, severed hand, marker in the sand, parachutes, unemployable, big wave, wasted reprise, army reserve, come back)
Backspacer
Good/great: 1 (got some)
No consensus: 6 (gonna see my friend, johnny guitar, just breathe, unthought known, force of nature, the end)
Bad: 4 (the fixer, amongst the waves, supersonic, speed of sound
Many of the "no consensus" songs in the analysis you've posted (which by the way, i created a mathematical summary of a few months ago and posted it there, I'm familiar with it) likely just mean that most people thought they were middle of the road- i.e. not good or great, but not bad, either, i.e. many people went with "average". I really doubt there's many people who believe Big Wave, Thin Air, Ghost, Green Disease, etc.. etc... are anywhere close to top notch 5 star songs. Just like I doubt there are many who think Parachutes, All or None, or Severed Hand are anywhere close to 1 or 2 star bottom rung songs.
Help, Help is an interesting one, because there are many people who think it's absolutely great (5 stars) and many others who think it is horrid (1 or 2 stars). And everywhere in between.
I stand behind my question, and won't let you trivialize it.
Re: Song of the Moment: Help Help
Posted: Mon February 24, 2014 10:12 pm
I think that's a pretty rare opinion.Birds in Hell wrote:Evacuation is definitely a 5.
It's a 6.
Weirdo
Re: Song of the Moment: Help Help
Posted: Mon February 24, 2014 10:51 pm
So I did this, and I still feel the same. I think it's mainly the vocals, they really ruin it for me.Kaius wrote:Go LAL it and think about it some moreSgt. Crackpot wrote:I've never really gotten into this song. I find it's one of the weaker songs on the album.
Re: Song of the Moment: Help Help
Posted: Mon February 24, 2014 10:54 pm
I Evacuate whenever that pieCe of shit comes on.
Re: Song of the Moment: Help Help
Posted: Mon February 24, 2014 10:59 pm
It's arguably the band's best song.
Re: Song of the Moment: Help Help
Posted: Mon February 24, 2014 11:16 pm
Is this one of those RM inside jokes, like where everyone says how terrible I Got Shit is?Birds in Hell wrote:It's arguably the band's best song.
Re: Song of the Moment: Help Help
Posted: Mon February 24, 2014 11:20 pm
Of all things Spenno does not enjoy, Evacuation is not one of them.Sgt. Crackpot wrote:Is this one of those RM inside jokes, like where everyone says how terrible I Got Shit is?Birds in Hell wrote:It's arguably the band's best song.